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Old April 7th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #81
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Non-resident Vidarbhaites form NGO to help farmers

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NAGPUR: Several Vidarbhaites from India and abroad have come together to form an NGO and offer support to farmers in the region. This is perhaps the first concerted non-governmental effort of this scale.

Often in the past many have offered mere lip service. But 'Apulkee' (sense of belonging), formed six months ago by about 1,400 engineers and other professionals, proposes to change all that. 'Apulkee' would educate the farmers in modern agricultural technologies to increase productivity and develop a process through which the farmers could sell their produce directly to the end customer. This would not only help the farmers increase their profits, the consumers would also get produce at cheaper rates.

It was 31-year-old Abhijeet Falke, a mechanical engineer from Karanja Ghadge in Wardha district, who set the ball rolling. "I was watching Kaun Banega Crorepati where a woman from Vidarbha described her plight as well as those of other farmers in the region. It was very disturbing and I couldn't sleep the entire night. The next day when I shared the experience with my friends from Vidarbha they were all moved," said Falke who is a test analyst with a software firm in Pune.

The friends got together to do some research. "We even began reading Agro-I to know the real cause of the distress. Mutual discussion triggered the idea of forming 'Apulkee' and within a few days we had 40 supporters. The membership has gone to 1400 now," added Falke.

Some of the early supporters include his father Arun Falke, who retired as vice principal of Model College at Karanja, wife Bhagyshree, who hails from Nagpur, and friends Sachin Musale and Vipul Deshmukh. "The numbers then grew slowly and steadily," said Falke.

'Apulkee' was formally launched on Saturday at the hands of noted social worker Dr Vikas Amte and former state minister Dr Sunil Deshmukh. A two-day residential workshop is being held as part of the inaugural function at Pipri village in Wardha district. The workshop will train 500 farmers from different tehsils in Wardha district. State agriculture department's joint director of agriculture, JC Bhutada, also addressed the farmers.

"We have not finalized the exact stepwise plan for marketing the produce. But 'Apulkee' will help farmers first form groups. They will transport their produce to different cities where we have our members. The members would soon evolve some plans with different companies to allow an outlet to sell the farmers' produce in their premises. Most companies have more than 20,000 employees. Even if half of them buy the produce it is enough to kick-start the change," said Falke.

The organization has an advisory committee of 14 members which is led by Deshmukh, LB Kalantri, former chief of state's directorate of sericulture at Nagpur, advocate Manohar Parchure, a crusader of organic farming from Nagpur, and several others.

According to Bhagyshree, 'Apulkee' is a group of people who understand the importance of farming and farmers. "We understand that India can grow in true sense only when Indian agriculture as well Indian farmers grow," she said.
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Old April 10th, 2012, 09:25 AM   #83
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As I've mentioned before, the only way to develop Vidharba industrially is to connect it to Mumbai, Nashik, Pune by a high speed expressway. That is the only way to attract private investment. Government should only create a facilitating role to help industry by providing infrastructure especially highways and electricity. The same issues are faced in Marathwada. The days of socialism are over, it's private industry that's contributing more towards development, Govt. can only play a facilitating role. Pune region has managed to develop now because of it's closeness to Bombay. It has always had some infrastructure, a good educational climate, institutes even during British time. I think the biggest reason why it has developed has to do with educational institutes many of them dating back to more than 150 years. I think the situation now is that private industry lobbies the Govt. for development and pushes it in a particular direction. Mumbai/Pune has benefited from that. Attract private investment, that should be the motto for any region and they should compete with each other in attracting investment. Local leaders have to take a pro-active role in attracting investment. The days of Socialism when things were decided at the top and then handed down are gone. It's no longer a planned economy. This might be a bit difficult now, because those regions which contribute more taxes, automatically enjoy more clout. The market is controlling matters. Still the pie is getting bigger and the only way to develop is make use of the advantages that one has and work on them. Develop a high speed expressway, offer tax concessions for industry to set up and we'll see the region transform. It's normal for any MLA to lobby for his own constituency. MLA's from Vidharba have to wake up.
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National Law School is coming up in Nagpur. I2IT is a private institute and Pune needs an IIIT as its the centre for software development in Western India. Nagpur, Aurangabad, Mumbai should also get them. That's one thing for sure, the more the better.

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Old April 12th, 2012, 11:52 AM   #86
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As I've mentioned before, the only way to develop Vidharba industrially is to connect it to Mumbai, Nashik, Pune by a high speed expressway. That is the only way to attract private investment.
You are wrong when you that a high speed expressway is the ONLY way to develop Vidarbha industrially. It is just one of the many things required. What's the guarantee that even after developing such thing, govt's attitude towards Vid will change? And if that attitude remains same, not matter how much you develop infrastructure, Vidarbha will never get what it deserves..

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Government should only create a facilitating role to help industry by providing infrastructure especially highways and electricity. The same issues are faced in Marathwada.
Agreed that Govt should do that. So what? you think Govt is doing or will do even this for Vidarbha? I doubt..

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The days of socialism are over, it's private industry that's contributing more towards development, Govt. can only play a facilitating role.
This is applicable only to the places where private industry has grown to huge extent. so not applicable to Vidarbha, reason? - Apathy of Maha. govt and 60 years of injustice..

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Pune region has managed to develop now because of it's closeness to Bombay. It has always had some infrastructure, a good educational climate, institutes even during British time. I think the biggest reason why it has developed has to do with educational institutes many of them dating back to more than 150 years.
True that Pune benefited a lot from its closeness to Mumbai. But when you talk about educational institutes, let me inform you that Nagpur University was established in 1923 (26 years!! before Pune University - 1949). And there were many premier educational institute in Nagpur during British era making it one of the major educational hub. I never understood the reason why Maharashtra State Board for HSC and SSC education was established in Pune when it already had two politically important cities - Capital Mumbai and so-called 2nd capital Nagpur.. Till date, many important educational institutes/projects have been shifted to Pune and west maha and the story continues even today (just check the news above). The National Law School has also been shifted.. I will be hugely surprised if an IIM opening in Maharashtra in future happens to be Vidarbha...
Even after all this, Nagpur, along with Pune & Mumbai, is one of the biggest educational hubs in state.. far better n bigger than other cities in Maha.. but is it really having any effect??

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I think the situation now is that private industry lobbies the Govt. for development and pushes it in a particular direction. Mumbai/Pune has benefited from that. Attract private investment, that should be the motto for any region and they should compete with each other in attracting investment. Local leaders have to take a pro-active role in attracting investment. The days of Socialism when things were decided at the top and then handed down are gone. It's no longer a planned economy.
May be private industry is lobbies the Govt to push development to particular region, but then, given that govt is accountable for balanced development of all regions of this big fat state, isn't it govt's responsibility to convince private lobbies to go n invest in other regions too and give them assurance that they will have full support of the govt for doing that? If govt can't take this responsibility, then they have no right to govern such huge state. It shows their incapability.
And it is indeed a planned economy for developing less-developed regions. How do you think Aurangabad is getting investments from auto industry? How do you think they got skoda/volkswagon plant? How do you think they will keep getting such investments?? Private industry lobbies?? no way!

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This might be a bit difficult now, because those regions which contribute more taxes, automatically enjoy more clout. The market is controlling matters.
That's a flawed logic in context of Maharashtra. Region which contributes more electricity doesn't enjoy more electricity.. it gets a gift of huge load-shedding

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Still the pie is getting bigger and the only way to develop is make use of the advantages that one has and work on them. Develop a high speed expressway, offer tax concessions for industry to set up and we'll see the region transform. It's normal for any MLA to lobby for his own constituency. MLA's from Vidharba have to wake up.
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Old April 12th, 2012, 02:03 PM   #87
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Good points GrapeWine.

I feel Proud to be Nagpurian.

In-spite so much apathy and negligence, still it's standing tall because of its own.
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How are the districts adjoining Vidharba in MP, Chattisgarh & AP doing? Better than Vidharba?
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You are wrong when you that a high speed expressway is the ONLY way to develop Vidarbha industrially. It is just one of the many things required. What's the guarantee that even after developing such thing, govt's attitude towards Vid will change? And if that attitude remains same, not matter how much you develop infrastructure, Vidarbha will never get what it deserves..

Agreed that Govt should do that. So what? you think Govt is doing or will do even this for Vidarbha? I doubt..

This is applicable only to the places where private industry has grown to huge extent. so not applicable to Vidarbha, reason? - Apathy of Maha. govt and 60 years of injustice..
The attitude seems to be of having given up. It's not pro-active. It's a market economy now. What is needed is leveraging of whatever advantages one has. Socialism era is gone.

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True that Pune benefited a lot from its closeness to Mumbai. But when you talk about educational institutes, let me inform you that Nagpur University was established in 1923 (26 years!! before Pune University - 1949). And there were many premier educational institute in Nagpur during British era making it one of the major educational hub. I never understood the reason why Maharashtra State Board for HSC and SSC education was established in Pune when it already had two politically important cities - Capital Mumbai and so-called 2nd capital Nagpur.. Till date, many important educational institutes/projects have been shifted to Pune and west maha and the story continues even today (just check the news above). The National Law School has also been shifted.. I will be hugely surprised if an IIM opening in Maharashtra in future happens to be Vidarbha...
Even after all this, Nagpur, along with Pune & Mumbai, is one of the biggest educational hubs in state.. far better n bigger than other cities in Maha.. but is it really having any effect??
Without industry and an entrepreneurial class it's not going to happen. True that Uni Pune is after independence, but then there were many other institutions which were much older like the College of Engineering in Pune is the 3rd oldest in Asia I think. There are at least a dozen other old colleges, schools, hospitals. The British treated Pune as their Monsoon home from Bombay. So it benefited hugely from that, other than the military establishments. Its development came mainly from the 60s onwards as an alternative to many companies from Bombay. National Law School is going to be established in Nagpur, it's already been announced and I did post it a couple of days back. How is the University in Nagpur? I do know of the NIT, what about the University? I do know that Amravati University does not really enjoy a high reputation.


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May be private industry is lobbies the Govt to push development to particular region, but then, given that govt is accountable for balanced development of all regions of this big fat state, isn't it govt's responsibility to convince private lobbies to go n invest in other regions too and give them assurance that they will have full support of the govt for doing that? If govt can't take this responsibility, then they have no right to govern such huge state. It shows their incapability.
And it is indeed a planned economy for developing less-developed regions. How do you think Aurangabad is getting investments from auto industry? How do you think they got skoda/volkswagon plant? How do you think they will keep getting such investments?? Private industry lobbies?? no way!
Govt. cannot actually convince, just encourage. They could provide some tax breaks to attract investment, but this has to be combined by reducing the travelling time to Mumbai. I think all these cities Nashik, Aurangabad, (to a certain extent Ahmednagar) have benefited because of the distance to Bombay. Take for example the Skoda plant at Aurangabad. They assemble their cars there, so they need to have good access to a port.

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That's a flawed logic in context of Maharashtra. Region which contributes more electricity doesn't enjoy more electricity.. it gets a gift of huge load-shedding
Yes, that is wrong and not fair at all, but also has to do with cost. Consumers in Mumbai/Pune city pay higher charges. If this would be extended to the rest of Maharashtra, I think load shedding can be tackled now that electricity is 'traded' across India.

Well, you obviously know more about Nagpur, so would be happy to learn something from you.
I had a question, I had heard about some troubles created by Naxals for industrialists/traders there. I had heard that affected the MIDC a bit. How true is that?
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Well, you obviously know more about Nagpur, so would be happy to learn something from you.
I had a question, I had heard about some troubles created by Naxals for industrialists/traders there. I had heard that affected the MIDC a bit. How true is that?
>Some points you have mentioned about development of Western Mah due to proximity to mumbai are right,but again one can argue then why konkan area is not devp. compared to west mah as it is near to mumbai havin many pots and few power plants too.
>Higher electricity bill paid by pune people is a myth.Logically due to higher transmission losses the rates in pune should be high but I was in Nagpur for about 15 yrs and since last 5yrs I'm in pune,but I haven't found much difference in rates they are almost same rather in some parts of vidarbha they are higher counting the time spent in load shedding.
>I do not agree govt cannot convince the companies,a good infrastructure provided and tax exemption as in SEZs is what all a company needs to set up a plant.But our leaders don't even do this.Firstly for vast region like vidarbha not many sezs are permitted.If sezs are permitted basic infra is missing.Despite this if some company wants to set up a plant they are asked to shift to other region. (as in case of amravati sez I've heard a German company wanted to set up a food (oranges) processing unit in amravati was asked to shift to nanded,now tell me what nanded got to do with oranges) or sometimes projects are delayed.I've also read it somewhere that boeing was asked to shift to some other location but due to suitable weather conditions in Nagpur company insisted on Nagpur.
> I think Few politicians or few political parties dont want the devp. of this region,they are happy with the funds they are getting in the name of economic bcklog and farmer's suicide from the central gov. and use them to develop their own disricts so that they could again get elected in the next elections.And politicians in vidarbha region are not strong enough.
>Nagpur and rest of vidarbha got nothing to do with naxals it is only restricted till gadchiroli district which is 200-250kms away frm Nagpur.
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good points Chetan. Adding to that, here is my response.

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The attitude seems to be of having given up. It's not pro-active.
Yes people of Vidarbha have given up all their hopes of development being in Maharashtra.. n that's why we are asking for separate state.

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It's a market economy now. What is needed is leveraging of whatever advantages one has. Socialism era is gone.
Yes it's market economy, but without govt's will nothing can happen. And, based on the same logic of market economy, when people want to to invest in Nagpur and Vidarbha, then they are "encouraged" (in your words) to shift to other places, mostly west Maha and recently to Aurangabad/Marathwada.. As pointed out by Chetan, Vidarbha has Oranges and processing plant is being setup (actually getting shifted) in Nanded! what the heck! why aren't the advantages being leveraged here??
What's needed for development of Vidarbha is that
1. this negative encouragement should stop immediately because govt must support the market economy - govt must support at least the ones who are willing to invest here
2. there shouldn't be any development anywhere at the cost of other regions like Vidarbha


I mean, first you create huge imbalance in development, let a particular place flourish like anything and let others starve.. Obviously then private players will be willing to invest in more developed places.. and then, when other regions ask questions, you say that "it's a market economy man! we can't do anything.. private companies themselves want to invest there.." !!

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Without industry and an entrepreneurial class it's not going to happen.
Entrepreneurial class shows up in big way when a big project is established and the ancillary units are taken up by locals, like in case of big car manufacturing plants.
as far as IT is concerned, there are people from Nagpur who started their own enterprise at other places which have better availability of talent due to already established job market. Most of the units in existing IT park in Nagpur are owned by local entrepreneurs.

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True that Uni Pune is after independence, but then there were many other institutions which were much older like the College of Engineering in Pune is the 3rd oldest in Asia I think. There are at least a dozen other old colleges, schools, hospitals.
Similar things are true for Nagpur too.. such as, College of Agriculture in Nagpur is oldest in country (founded in 1906). Mayo Hospital started in 1860s.. same for the existing Govt Medical College.. you can't really say that one place was considerably better that other.

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The British treated Pune as their Monsoon home from Bombay. So it benefited hugely from that, other than the military establishments. Its development came mainly from the 60s onwards as an alternative to many companies from Bombay. National Law School is going to be established in Nagpur, it's already been announced and I did post it a couple of days back. How is the University in Nagpur? I do know of the NIT, what about the University? I do know that Amravati University does not really enjoy a high reputation.
National Law School (central govt funded) is going to be established in Aurangabad and there are going to be two more state govt funded schools with equivalent infrastructure to be established in Nagpur and Vashi.
Nagpur University is good but it lost its reputation due to that scam few years back. But again there are many good engineering and medical colleges affiliated with the university.

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Govt. cannot actually convince, just encourage. They could provide some tax breaks to attract investment, but this has to be combined by reducing the travelling time to Mumbai. I think all these cities Nashik, Aurangabad, (to a certain extent Ahmednagar) have benefited because of the distance to Bombay. Take for example the Skoda plant at Aurangabad. They assemble their cars there, so they need to have good access to a port.
1. Skoda and other cars manufactured at Aurangabad unit are not exported out of India
2. for distributing within the country, port is not needed and Nagpur is most suitably located with a lot better connectivity
3. If access to port was such a big parameter, then there wouldn't have been any auto industry in north India. Gurgaon has Maruti, Noida has Honda and there are numerous two wheeler manufacturing plants.
4. and what about IT industry!!? they don't need ports and expressways connecting to Mumbai! Mihan SEZ is such an ambitious project, but look at its fate! It couldn't catch up still.. no aggressive marketing. slow release of funds. Just that Prithviraj Chavan is showing some interest recently, otherwise old CMs would have made it sink to the fate of Butibori MIDC.. (so-called biggest industrial area in Asia when established)
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True points. Even earlier we used to hear that NAGPUR is the biggest business transaction hub of Asia. But now, we have lost that glory. We are not concerned about the development happening in other parts of the region. But we just want justice and what govt. has given to us till date we know very well. Most of the time we have seen that any project which comes to Nagpur /Vidarbha gets diverted to other part of state (very good example of orange processing unit from Amarvati shifted to Nanded and many more).

As per the Nagpur Pact there are so many things which state govt is not doing right now. Only winter session which gets held here but most of the time instead of discussing issues of Vidarbha, MLAs discuss most abt wetern MH.

To fulfill the backlog Vidarbha, state govt will need number of years and it will be never ending because debt of Vidarbha is too much and already crossed the limit. TO have justice lets have a separate Vidarbha!!!!
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Regarding the Skoda plant, you didn't get it. The cars were assembled there, not manufactured. Till the VW plant came up two years ago, a significant component of the cars were imported in knocked down kits and assembled. That's where the connection to port comes in. I think you should ask industry what it wants and create those conditions there for them to invest.That's the only way for a market economy otherwise its going to fail.
I agree there should be development in Vidharbha, but the logic being used in the arguments here about how it should be done I feel is not workable. It's a very negative attitude, not a pro-active one to build things. Business does not work like this.
How are the districts adjoining Vidharbha in MP, AP and Chattisgarh doing?
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>Some points you have mentioned about development of Western Mah due to proximity to mumbai are right,but again one can argue then why konkan area is not devp. compared to west mah as it is near to mumbai havin many pots and few power plants too.
Konkan has suffered from connectivity due to the terrain. It's only now with the Konkan railway that things are changing in places like Ratnagiri.

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>Higher electricity bill paid by pune people is a myth.Logically due to higher transmission losses the rates in pune should be high but I was in Nagpur for about 15 yrs and since last 5yrs I'm in pune,but I haven't found much difference in rates they are almost same rather in some parts of vidarbha they are higher counting the time spent in load shedding.
From what I heard, the companies in Pune provide captive power back into the grid and the electricity company charges the customers a higher amount for that. That's the only way Pune has avoided load shedding the past few years. Places like Baramati do suffer load shedding.

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>I do not agree govt cannot convince the companies,a good infrastructure provided and tax exemption as in SEZs is what all a company needs to set up a plant.But our leaders don't even do this.Firstly for vast region like vidarbha not many sezs are permitted.If sezs are permitted basic infra is missing.Despite this if some company wants to set up a plant they are asked to shift to other region. (as in case of amravati sez I've heard a German company wanted to set up a food (oranges) processing unit in amravati was asked to shift to nanded,now tell me what nanded got to do with oranges) or sometimes projects are delayed.I've also read it somewhere that boeing was asked to shift to some other location but due to suitable weather conditions in Nagpur company insisted on Nagpur.
I haven't heard of what you are saying at all from anywhere else, so I am not sure what you are saying is true.

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>Nagpur and rest of vidarbha got nothing to do with naxals it is only restricted till gadchiroli district which is 200-250kms away frm Nagpur.
What about the MIDC in Nagpur? This is what I heard. What have you heard from industrialists there?
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I haven't heard of what you are saying at all from anywhere else, so I am not sure what you are saying is true.
you could use google. here is the news article - TOI
You won't hear such things there.. media won't cover them.
Correction - it was a Swiss company.

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What about the MIDC in Nagpur? This is what I heard. What have you heard from industrialists there?
please provide a source. don't just go by what you hear.. and again, please use google. Chhattisgarh and east-most districts of Maharashtra are affected by Naxalism n that's all.
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