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Old December 10th, 2011, 12:57 PM   #41
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Does anyone know if there is some kind of plan to reduce waiting times at the PL-UA border? Right now it often takes at least an hour, or several hours to cross it, according to granica.gov.pl
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Old December 10th, 2011, 04:49 PM   #42
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I'm afraid the only way is to ease border rules. It's goint to be a good few weeks for smugglers.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 04:51 PM   #43
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Well, If I read the stories about smuggling the main concern of the Polish customs are the cross-border trains.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 05:34 PM   #44
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We have problems on our eastern border with of all types of smuggling: foot, car, truck and trains as well. Trains are the most media-prone.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 06:03 PM   #45
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Great thread! Two questions:

1. What is the road like from Kharkov to Donetsk?

2. What are the rental car requirements for foreigners in Ukraine and what are the typical rental rates?

Thanks.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 06:38 PM   #46
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I don't see the connection with car theft and the join into EU.
Well, there is connection acutally. Before Poland joined EU we had high import taxes for used cars. In the result cars in Poland were quite expensive, especially older ones, and market supply was limited. So stealig cars and parts was profitable. After we joined EU the border became fully opened, prices have dropped significantly, and market of cars and auto parts became reasonably wide. Of course decrease of unemployment rate and overall increase of wealth were important in that process too. So was sealing of our eastern border and increase of wealth in Russia (that formerly used to be huge market for stolen cars).

70k cars have been stolen in Poland in 2001. 16k in 2010 in comparison to 160k(!) in Italy.

Europol data for 2008:

Country Vehicles stolen
1.Italy 167689
2.United Kingdom 142321
3.France 127850
4.Spain 77645
5.Czech Republic 43757
6.Greece 38837
7.Sweden 30776
8.Denmark 27234
9.Poland 22773
10.Belgium 16676

Considering population and number of cars Poland is preety safe. On the other hand number of stolen cars in Poland and Germany is more less the same (16k a year), while Germany is more than twice as populous as Poland.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 07:20 PM   #47
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Thanks for the answers! My car is not in the list

Are there particular tricks with the intent to stop a driver and hold-up? Like false accidents, false checking controls.... in Italy one of the most common is that a moto hits your side mirror to make you take down the window to settle it again. When you do it, another moto passes to steal your watch.... what about there?

Recently media reported series of flatten tyre trick. Thieves let air out of (usually) rear tyre, follow the car, and when driver steps out of vehicle to see what's going on they open the oposite side doors and steal handbag, waist bag, wallet, phone, whatever left in car. Also beware of Gypsies pretending (usually) turkish second hand car traders. They stand by car with german temporary plates stopping over other vehicles and asking for help. The usual story is they're on their way home and run out of fuel, and ask (in poor german) for some money offering their "golden" ring or "expensive" watch in return. Some naive people give them money. I've been in that situation too, the extra part of the story was a little kid in the backseat of an old Mercedes W210. The guy ofered me his signet ring. After he realised I won't give him any money he smacked doors of my car and left. Well, to be honest: beware of Gypsies in any situation
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Old December 10th, 2011, 08:14 PM   #48
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Another very important thing is zebra crossings.

Pedestrians have by law no right of way unless they are standing on the street itself.

However if the traffic is not big and you will not cause any dangerous situation it is seen as good manners to let people go.
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Old December 10th, 2011, 08:26 PM   #49
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beware of Gypsies in any situation
the only good thing of them is that you can recognize them quite easily and beware to fall into their tricks.... personally, I would never stop in a foreign country to help somebody on the street.... maybe just if she's a stunning woman but sometimes behind a stunning woman there are tricks... like in Budapest about the beautiful girls in Vaci Utca that "invite" naive foreign tourists into locals and then they have to pay an expansive bill some years ago (I don't know if they are still there)....
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Old December 10th, 2011, 10:26 PM   #50
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If you want to avoid toll fees, go from Brno directly north via Klodzko (in Poland) to Wroclaw. It might take maybe 1 hour longer tough as there is no highway from Brno till the beginning of A8 south of Wroclaw.
Looking at Google Maps, where once you've got one route you can drag it about a bit, I'd be tempted by cutting across north from Olomouc to the A4 SE of Wrocław.

According to Google, that's only a few minutes slower than the quickest option mentioned above, via Ostrava, and nearly 80 km shorter

So we have suggestions ranging from 850 to 1100 km, and 10 h 45 to 12 hours
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Old December 10th, 2011, 11:18 PM   #51
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Looking at Google Maps, where once you've got one route you can drag it about a bit, I'd be tempted by cutting across north from Olomouc to the A4 SE of Wrocław.

According to Google, that's only a few minutes slower than the quickest option mentioned above, via Ostrava, and nearly 80 km shorter
That's because the D1/A1 motorway at the CZ/PL border hasn't opened yet. It will be about 30-60 minutes faster then than it is now.
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Old December 11th, 2011, 02:46 PM   #52
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Anyone shares a highway/rail map of Poland&Ukraine?
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Old December 11th, 2011, 09:38 PM   #53
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It`s the newest map:
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Green - motorways/expressways in use
Red - under construction
yellow - tender

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Old December 11th, 2011, 11:04 PM   #54
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Luki_SL, that link doesn't seem to work properly. Did you mean this map?
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Old December 11th, 2011, 11:10 PM   #55
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Yes, the famous omnipresent map.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 07:31 AM   #56
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Luki_SL, that link doesn't seem to work properly. Did you mean this map?
I corrected bad link thx
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Old December 12th, 2011, 09:37 AM   #57
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That other map is much better in my opinion. Why are there two versions?
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Old December 12th, 2011, 11:14 AM   #58
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You mean this map : http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=4105 made by esce??
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Old December 12th, 2011, 01:11 PM   #59
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As much as I love maps about development of our highway network I don't think they I proper in this thread. It can fool careless readers. I think that only maps with finished or to be finished on may 2012 roads should be posted here.
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Old December 12th, 2011, 01:44 PM   #60
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Hi there! I'm visiting Poland every year and I sure won't skip it next year!

I'm planing to visit my friends in Sosnowiec before I continue to Poznań so I was wondering will the A1 from CZ border to Katowice be finished by Euro?
I would rather use my usual route via Bielsko-Biała if A1 is not finished because my navigation directed my to that route last time I was traveling to Poland in May and it was a terrible experience...

As I understand A4 is in traffic all the way from Katowice to Wroclaw? And what is the condition of S5 from Wroclaw to Poznań? Is it like S1 from CZ border to Bielsko-Biała?

And I have one more question What will be the toll system situation during the Euro? I'm asking this because they were talking about introducing vignettes last time I was in Poland???
If this is not truth how much is the toll for A1 (section CZ border-Katowice), and A4 (section Katowice-Wroclaw)?

Thank you

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