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Old February 18th, 2014, 07:11 AM   #1
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NEW ZEALAND - Stadium and Arena Development News

New Stadium Proposed for A-League side Wellington Phoenix

Good News, they are averaging 8,843 (lowest in the league) this season playing out of the 34,500 seat Westpac Stadium which is oval shaped.

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The Hutt City Council today announced plans for a new boutique football specific sports stadium based at the current Petone Recreation site.

While the Wellington Phoenix has at this stage only made a conditional commitment to moving to the proposed arena, Wellington Phoenix Chairman Rob Morrison and co-owner Dr Gareth Morgan said today that it is an exciting proposal that could deliver a fan centric and financially attractive model that is vital to securing the on-going financial viability of the Club.

“A purpose built football stadium has to be an attractive proposition for the Phoenix and although there are clearly a number of hurdles to be overcome, this is a proposal the Phoenix is keen to support” Morrison says.

“The Phoenix’s number one stated objective from day one has been to make the club financially viable so as to leave a legacy for football in New Zealand.

"Any proposition that could make a material difference to the financial stability of the club has to be taken seriously.

“Westpac Stadium is a great ground for big crowd games but when the club is only averaging 7,000 to 8,000 crowds, then financially Westpac Stadium doesn't work.”

Dr Morgan says by changing to a stadium with a lower cost structure and one that has the ability to deliver an unrivalled fan experience, it will enable the Club to play more games overall in Wellington.

“We have to re-invent the game-day experience for fans and the start of that process is an arena fit for purpose, where the fans get up close and personal to the action with a ground tailored to the needs of a football audience.

“We must follow the modern day trend for football stadia internationally which shows the successful ones are intimate and designed to really amplify the fan experience.

“Only by building a 12,000-15,000 seat football specific stadium with state of the art technology will the fans turn up in sufficient numbers to safeguard the financial viability of the Club long term.

“This new arena promises this and while there is a lot more work to be done, we’d be crazy not to investigate the potential further”.

Besides a match day venue, the project plan includes a children’s play areas and it will be structured to allow community groups to be part of the arena experience with food stalls and entertainment.

The Petone site is attractive as a development for its excellent transport hubs – it has two adjacent train stations and there’s plans for a Tawa to Petone road link – but also due to a number of valuable partnerships situated nearby.

Weltec, which sits next door to the site, offers potential education opportunities for the Club and Capital Football’s Memorial Park venue is just down the road - an important component of the amateur game in this region.

If the proposed arena goes ahead and the Phoenix can reach agreement on a partnership model, Dr Morgan says that Westpac Stadium will still play an important role as a Phoenix venue.

“Our on-going relationship with Westpac Stadium is critical for us”.

“Our plan as a club is to dominate the A League and as we realise that ambition we will be getting more and more finals-type games in Wellington as well as visiting overseas clubs.

Westpac Stadium will be our venue for those big crowd games.”

If the proposal proceeds, construction on the project is scheduled to begin later this year with the arena potentially ready for the 2016/17 A League season.

http://www.footballaustralia.com.au/...ew-arena/86263

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Old February 19th, 2014, 11:09 AM   #2
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The Hurricanes rugby franchise and Wellington union and maybe even the NZRU should contemplate moving to it in a few years.
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Old February 19th, 2014, 01:51 PM   #3
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Wouldnt it make sense for soccer/rugby to team up to get a 10-15,000 seater built from the outset?
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Old September 29th, 2016, 08:04 PM   #4
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RFU tells New Zealand to 'build a bigger stadium' if it wants more money

England are refusing to make big financial concessions to their cash-strapped southern hemisphere rivals and will oppose the idea of sharing the vast revenues generated by autumn Twickenham internationals. Instead Ian Ritchie, the Rugby Football Union’s chief executive, has advised New Zealand and Australia to “go and build a bigger stadium” if they wish to boost their profits.

Ritchie is fully aware discussions are continuing regarding the global calendar beyond 2019 but has ruled out any changes to the financial “bedrocks” of the Six Nations and November Tests that have helped make the RFU the richest union in the world. He also points out New Zealand will retain all the revenue generated from the 2017 Lions tour and sees no reason to amend existing arrangements.

“I’m not sure I get this argument,” said Ritchie, stressing the northern hemisphere unions have all invested heavily in building bigger, better stadiums. “If we manage to sell out 82,000 here it’s because of our efforts and because we’ve invested in the stadium. If you look at the amount of money the RFU has spent on Twickenham … of course we should get a return on that. Of course they would say they want more money. There is nothing to stop Australia or New Zealand building a [bigger] stadium. Go and build a stadium if you want to increase your revenue growth. When we went to Australia in the summer we didn’t get anything out of that. I didn’t ask for a revenue share from Australia. And ditto from the Lions. So I don’t see why there is a particularly strong case for arguing the other way. I’ve not seen a lot of problems with their lack of sustainability in terms of our difficulties in beating southern hemisphere teams.”
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/20...ia-new-zealand
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Old October 2nd, 2016, 05:45 PM   #5
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Unfortunately the good wise idiots in Auckland decided to throw hundreds of millions into the piece of crap stadium that we call Eden Park when the govt of the day was willing to throw in funding to build Auckland (and by extension NZ) a stadium we could all be proud of on Aucklands waterfront. One of the stupidest decisions made in the build up to that event, now we are stuck with Eden Park which should be bulldozed for high density housing.

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Old October 3rd, 2016, 05:41 PM   #6
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Not sure why Australia is being dragged into this, Stadium capacity restraints are hardly the problem of the Wallabies. They can't even sell out ANZ Stadium anymore.
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Old October 5th, 2016, 08:25 AM   #7
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Yeah Australia (East Coast) does not have stadium size issues at all, infact Sydney will soon even reduce their main stadium from 83,000 to 75,000 when it goes through its reconstruction in 2019, and no one is complaining about the reduction in seating as the stadium when complete will be one of the best in the world.
Currently (and in near future) Sydney will have;
-ANZ stadium 83,000 (to be 75,000)
-Allianz stadium 44,000 (will either remain or be increased to 50/55,000)
-brand new parramatta stadium, 32,000 an complete in 2019.
Newcastle
- 33,000 seat stadium that has one last upgrade stage needed to be 40/44,000
Brisbane has
-Suncorp stadium, 54,000
North Queensland
-brand new 30,000 stadium construction to start soon
Melbourne has
-their new 30,000 stadium.
These are just the rectangular stadiums, melbourne can make use of their 55,000 docklands stadium and their 100,000 seat mcg.
England does not have a stadium that size in their arsenal.

I just think the English RU do not understand and are nieve on just how small rugby is in Australia, even in the rugby codes states of nsw and qld rugby union is a minow sport that clings on in just a few upper middle class suburbs in Sydney and Brisbane
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Old October 5th, 2016, 10:33 AM   #8
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I just think the English RU do not understand and are nieve on just how small rugby is in Australia, even in the rugby codes states of nsw and qld rugby union is a minow sport that clings on in just a few upper middle class suburbs in Sydney and Brisbane
I'm not sure how Australia have been dragged into this - the issue is with New Zealand, who for years have been banging the drum of "we're the best team the world has ever seen and people prostrate themselves at our feet wherever we go, therefore you should be paying us for agreeing to do you the honour of coming to play a lowly team like you". At least, that's how it comes across.
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Old October 14th, 2016, 12:57 PM   #9
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Perhaps Australia should try harder and become better at Rugby no?
Its an international game played by big boys - tough nations.
This NRL nonsense it naff.
Probably a reason why NZ mostly doesn't touch it, and South Africa's never heard of it! ;P
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Old October 17th, 2016, 01:09 AM   #10
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Perhaps Australia should try harder and become better at Rugby no?
Its an international game played by big boys - tough nations.
This NRL nonsense it naff.
Probably a reason why NZ mostly doesn't touch it, and South Africa's never heard of it! ;P
NRL is the future of rugby in Australia. Home grown version, that excites the fans.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 12:55 PM   #11
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nah - Union all the way man.
Just like Test cricket vs T20 debate.
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Old October 17th, 2016, 08:08 PM   #12
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NRL is the future of rugby in Australia. Home grown version, that excites the fans.
Since when was NRL homegrown, it came from Northern England. It's been dying internationally for years, the NRL is pretty shit compared to Super Rugby, if Australia stoped pissing around with it you'd be much better at Rugby Union.

Nuff said now back to the shitty state of stadiums in NZ, like old mans beard Eden Park must go, it's a travesty that the All Blacks have to play in such a substandard stadium in NZs biggest city, it's an embarrassement!
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...the NRL is pretty shit compared to Super Rugby, if Australia stoped pissing around with it you'd be much better at Rugby Union.
Then the Warriors should run away with the Premiership every year, no?
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Playing: Union
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Playing: Union

Watching: I'd rather watch a bad game of League over a bad game of Union, but watch a good game of Union over a good game of League.
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Since when was NRL homegrown, it came from Northern England. It's been dying internationally for years, the NRL is pretty shit compared to Super Rugby, if Australia stoped pissing around with it you'd be much better at Rugby Union.
The NRL is a pretty big deal in eastern Australia, and that's the problem - State of Origin is seen as the pinnacle of the sport, and the international game doesn't really get a look in as a result.
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Since when was NRL homegrown, it came from Northern England. It's been dying internationally for years, the NRL is pretty shit compared to Super Rugby, if Australia stoped pissing around with it you'd be much better at Rugby Union.

Nuff said now back to the shitty state of stadiums in NZ, like old mans beard Eden Park must go, it's a travesty that the All Blacks have to play in such a substandard stadium in NZs biggest city, it's an embarrassement!
I agree. Maybe build that lovely dream stadium that's on the waterfront where all the oil storage tanks are - a-la cake-tin (location, not shape or size), and incorporate the park, rather than where the Long Cloud pier is ?
Then remodel Eden Park to be a cricket stadium, with possibility to make it a running track for a commonwealth games bid down the line.
Problem with NZ is that money is always tight!

Although - I suppose Albany / North Shore stadium is the most likely for Commy Games given the space around it for other sports halls/fields.
If that was the case - What CAN they do with Eden Park?
I know in London, the old Arsenal stadium was turned into commercial/offices and flats. - Does Auckland have the need/cash for such a conversion?

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Eden Park won't be replaced, and I doubt many taxpayers would be keen on that anyway. RWC2011 was the only chance to build a new large capacity stadium, and it was decided to refurbish Eden Park instead. As is the case for nearly every stadium in NZ, only the All Blacks can fill the stadium. I think there would be a better case to construct a 25000 seater rectangular stadium to the east of Vector Arena or on the waterfront, for league, rugby union, and football. That would replace the aging Mt Smart and would also mean that North Harbour wouldn't need further development.
The City Rail Link is currently under construction, and will make Eden Park less than a 10min train ride from the CBD, rather than the 20min+ ride it is at the moment. There are plans for a new boutique cricket ground in Auckland, which will mean that Eden Park's outer oval can be sold for a mixed use development, to make the area more of a destination.

Westpac Stadium will have its concourse refurbished in the next six months ($7.3m), the turf will be replaced this summer ($1.3m), and in the next three years the giant replay screens will be replaced ($4m). The local teams can only fill a third of the capacity, and whilst the Phoenix did have plans to construct a small rectangular stadium, this proposal seems to have been shelved for the moment.

Christchurch will be getting a 35000 seater stadium as part of the city rebuild, although the start of construction could be 5 to 10 years away.
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Then the Warriors should run away with the Premiership every year, no?
I've never followed the warriors, another complete waste of money.
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The NRL is a pretty big deal in eastern Australia, and that's the problem - State of Origin is seen as the pinnacle of the sport, and the international game doesn't really get a look in as a result.
Watching State of Origin compared to the games twenty or more years ago shows just how crappy league is today, it's just boring.
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