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Old December 16th, 2011, 04:03 PM   #1
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A new supertall for the Netherlands?

I don’t know if anyone of you have already heard from the Dutch Mountain? It is a proposed mountain on a island in the North sea. The mountain should be at least 2 kilometres in height, so it will be cold enough to sustain a natural man made glacier for skiing and ice-skating. Tourists can reach the island by a newly built railroad. By building this mountain the foundation wants to bid for the winter Olympics in 2028.

Do you think it is possible to build this mountain? And should it be considered as a building?

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Old December 16th, 2011, 04:34 PM   #2
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Actually i already know this project heard from news.
why not this one also "building". Maybe same kind of tower.

But i skeptical about this project. because euro is during economic slack.
Challenge is always good.
by the way i'll keep my finger crossed for dutch
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Old December 16th, 2011, 04:36 PM   #3
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Building a mountain? That sounds like nonsense to me. What a nice product of a weed party
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Old December 17th, 2011, 07:20 AM   #4
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It would cost a King's ransom..... and for what?
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Old December 17th, 2011, 10:30 AM   #5
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Ahh, really, no.

It's rediculous how some average little architecture office simply reuses a concept thought up for a competition for tempelhof Berlin (the Berg), and it starts working as a marketing machine for 'thinking out of the box'

Of course it shouldn't be built. It'd be hidious from close, ridiculous from far, outageously expensive and a second hand joke taken far too seriously.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 10:38 AM   #6
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It would cost a King's ransom..... and for what?
For the winterfun for the Dutch and for the olympics of course. The idea comes from some cyclists who didn't want to travel to the Alps for mountaintraining, so they proposed to build a steep mountain in the Netherlands. This mountain should also be suitable for wintersports, so the costs could be shared. It has to be a sustainable mountain. Arround 800 metres they plan to build a lake with a stream towards the sea, so they could build a hydroelectric powerplant.

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Nah, they should rather build a Borg Cube

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Old December 17th, 2011, 12:40 PM   #8
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not going to happen, far too expensive. just look how expensive islands in dubai are and just imagine how much more earth dirt and rocks are needed for a mountain of that size. also this would not be a building nor a tower, this would be like the pyramids, the tallest man-made structure but of a category that we don't really have, maybe monument? the heck i know
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Old December 17th, 2011, 03:48 PM   #9
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It would cost a King's ransom..... and for what?
So you could see if ze Germans are coming.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 04:15 PM   #11
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hehe.... that gave me a morning smile!
Well, I've seen some vanity projects before, but surely there is a better way to spend a billion or so Euros than to make a fake hill.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 04:35 PM   #12
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Maybe the Dutch can arrange something with Greece. Greece needs money, the Dutch want a mountain on an island, so let's buy one. Then everybody will be happy after all. Santorini would be a great deal, it even grows by itself.

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Old December 17th, 2011, 05:41 PM   #13
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That sounds like an awesome idea I'd be glad to not need to pay them from my pocket
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Old December 17th, 2011, 06:34 PM   #14
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The ground beneath it wouldn't be able to hold the weight. Structually, it's impossible. It would sink very fast.

Not to mention the climatic effects it would have on the region.
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Old December 17th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #15
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Dutch mountain made of kevlar or composite materials

Almere – It is possible to build a 2 kilometre heigh mountain in the Netherlands. However, the method of sand dredging seems unsuitable for this case, it is too expensive. A pyramid built of cubes of kevlar or composite materials is feasible.

This is the outcome of the first brainstormsessions of the foundation which is doing research in the feasibility of the project “Die Berg Komt Er" (translated: That Mountain Will Arise). The foundation consists of journalist Thijs Zonneveld, the first initiator of the mountain, and enginering companies DHV, Oranjewoud and Ballast Nedam. The mountain should be about 2 kilometres tall with a percentage of 25% steepness and a volume of approximately 256 billion cubic metres. First calculations show a mountain made of sand is about to cost 70 to 750 billion euros.

Too expensive, according to the initiators. That’s why the mountain should be built out of 4 or 5 modules. The foundation expects the mountain will only cost 30 to 40 billion when it is build in modules.



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Old December 17th, 2011, 08:46 PM   #16
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is it even viable to begin with?? aren't you guys too optimistic?
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I feel very sorry for the hungry children all over the world.. losing their life saving meals to a bunch of people wanting to erect a mountain.. yeah yeah it's your money and you can do anything with it which ever way you want to, so let's just make this another excuse why the world is sick the way it is now.. sad..
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Old December 17th, 2011, 09:47 PM   #18
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I don't see this becoming reality. Way too expensive.

I like the idea of purchasing Santorini.
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Old December 22nd, 2011, 08:37 PM   #19
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Sports journalist Thijs Zonneveld suggested in July for the first time the idea of a mountain in the Netherlands. In recent months, a hundred professionals in four brainstorming sessions, the feasibility of the idea explored. Participants work for renowned architects and engineering firms, universities, consultancies and research institutes. The feasibility study presented this afternoon Foundation Mountain There Is! In Almere the first conclusions of the brainstorming sessions. "All parties have sufficient confidence in the feasibility of the project in 2012 to proceed with a professional project," says Zonneveld. This organization will further develop the project, the feasibility of further studies, to provide further financing and possibly new partners in the project process.

Professional project with USG Innotiv as main sponsor
The foundation presented its main sponsor this afternoon: USG Innotiv, a leader in the secondment of technical projects. USG proposes Innotiv guarantees the cost of an experienced project manager in 2012 and offers accommodation. "Our employees are accustomed to challenges in the technical field. The construction of this mountain we can safely call it a complex challenge, "said John Herfkens, CEO of USG Innotiv. "We are proud to contribute to the plans for the first Dutch mountain to deliver."

Main task of the project is the development of the mountain an innovation with sustainability, innovation and sportsmanship as key focus areas. The platform focuses more specifically on energy production, water production, food production, sustainability, new construction techniques, innovative transportation systems, new financing models and the development of sport in the Netherlands. In recent months, eight workgroups lot of work in various areas: location, food production, water production, energy, waste use, real estate exploitation, transportation and logistics, leisure and sport. The first conclusions of these groups follows:

Location: in the Netherlands is probably enough room for a mountain with a height of two kilometers. The mountain is a boost for regional and national economy. The mountain also provides a boost to the Dutch infrastructure and bring new technologies to develop the mountain. The mountain offers all kinds of impacts, positive and negative, are highly dependent on the size and location of the mountain. Further research into climate impacts is needed.

Food production: the mountain is a lot of space (approximately 1100 acres) for extremely efficient so that food locally and sustainably produced food and fewer imported from distant countries need to be. The investment per hectare outweigh the revenues.

Water production: the mountain includes a self-sufficient water system, possibly even a "factory fresh" the problems of drought and salinity helps combat. This water is not just a clever connection between energy and food of the mountain, but also makes such snow at altitude. Moreover in the large mountain reservoirs built as water and energy buffer function.

Energy: it is possible to mount with fully sustainable and locally produced energy, regardless of what functions to be housed. The mountain provides opportunities to use - the Netherlands new systems such as hydropower - an area the size of the agglomeration of Amsterdam, 100% green power.

Waste Use: Construction of the mountain wastes can be used as bottom ash, fly ash, granulated rubble and clean soil. The waste that is produced on the mountain itself, is used for energy production.

Real Estate Operations: on, in and around the mountain, large real estate projects developed a phased construction which can be partly financed.

Transport & logistics: a year is expected to visit 15 to 20,000,000 people the mountain. To access the mountain to be ensured, in the current Dutch integrated transport solution.

Leisure and sport: the mountain can be carriers of the Olympic Games in the Netherlands in 2028 and an icon for sport and recreation in the Netherlands. The sports are in fact infinite. Besides all the winter sports stadium and sports can be one kilometer long skating and jogging path be constructed. Is there a location chosen in the sea can be a harbor at the foot of the mountain to be built.

"With a lot more energy"
"Based on these findings we conclude that - within proper margins in terms of size and height of the mountain - lots of opportunities for the development of sub-plans and the coordination of these plans. We will therefore continue with much energy, "says Zonneveld in Feasibility Research Foundation The Mountain There Is!. Together with Ben Rogmans, director of Dagblad De Pers, and Ulf Doornbos, former director of Options Exchange Zonneveld is the board of the foundation. To Ka-Lung was appointed as project director.

The Foundation provides 20,000 certificates of € 50 for 'a piece of mountain. Certificate holders may thus enhance the initiative. If the mountain really, we load the certificate into a share of 25 percent bonus. There is also an agreement with Wielerland.nl the organization of several cycling tours in 2012. Www.diebergkomter.nl at a shop set up in which besides the certificates, special cycling jerseys can be ordered.
Source: www.diebergkomter.nl (in Dutch)
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I'd rather Netherlands do something about their sinking country
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