2024 Summer Olympics / Games of the XXXIII Olympiad bids

[RobH]

Milton Keynes?

[Jim856796]

Originally Posted by Lord David

Pull what off? Simply because they have a 60,000 seater ("decaying") stadium?
They bid for the 2014 Commonwealth Games, with a somewhat reasonable plan, yet lost to Glasgow, whose athletics venue would be a temporary platform at Hampden Park.

Pull off a great Summer Olympics. Abuja can be like an Atlanta. And the Abuja Stadium is not decaying. I doubt any other Brazilian cities can host a Summer Olympics after Rio de Janeiro.

[RobH]

Their bid for the Commonwealths was questionable and indeed questioned. Can't see Abuja getting anything close to an Olympics. Maybe a YOGs would be a better fit.

[Jim856796]

A Youth Olympic Games held in Africa before a "senior" Summer Olympics? Aside from South Africa, I always believed that there was absolutely no city in the African continent capable of hosting a Summer Olympic Games.

[Boriska]

So, the thread about the 2024 Olympics is closed. I don't know why

I open this topic to talk about the Paris Olympic Bid, not official but probably for 2024.








Le Stade de France, who can host football and athletics.



The Future Aubervilliers Swim Stadium (next to Stade de France)


Roland Garros of course, who can host tennis.

[adeaide]

[Boriska]

For the moments, the bids logos are unofficials and... sorry for the designers... ugly.

Eomer, a french member, reffered that Champ de Mars can be a temporary venue for the Opening Ceremony.


Imagine. 100,000 persons and the Olympic Flame at the top of the Eiffel Tower.


The Arena 92, future Retractable-roof Stadium in La Défense and which can be separate into two arenas for the Handball.


The Bercy Palace, the greatest Arena in Paris, which will be renovated.

[GEwinnen]

100 years after Paris 2024 and 32 years after Albertville 1992 - yes, it is time for the games in one of Europe's major cities.

London 2012 - Paris 2024 - Berlin 2032

[Axelferis]

Even if i wish that paris host again olympics, the projects presented there are a joke and doesn't meet international standards for the moment.

Please not show the pics of outdated projects (and looser ones)

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

the projects presented there are a joke and doesn't meet international standards for the moment.

Please not show the pics of outdated projects (and looser ones)

???? Which ones ??

[Boriska]

Stade de France outdated ?
Future Aquatic Centre outdated ?
Arena 92 outdated ?
Future Bercy outdated ?
Roland Garros outdated ?

[Axelferis]

-stade de France was criticized during 2012 bid because it lacks some aspects
-New bercy sorry but it doesn't beat O2 arena. it could be close to it but i wait the final renders to convince me

If we bid just repostpone the same type of 'joke' infrastructures like the 'shy' olympic village it a waste of time and money.

I have to recognize it but except for the ugly 80K olympic stadium, the bid of london 2012 was ahead ours.

The olympic village they made is just fantastic.

i don't see a vision for the future in the structures you show.

Arena 92 is good and is a 21 st arena

the swimming center? i want more renders because it seems under the quality of beijing 2008.

I want infrastructures of 21 st century not end of 20th like the majority you show.

[parcdesprinces]

Aesthetics only or your personal subjective tastes aren't what makes that a venue is good or bad (especially knowing your lack of knowledge regarding architecture, engineering, technical aspects, facts & figures etc).. not to mention some of your opinions simply based on renders = illustrations/drawings .

Secondly, may I remind you that Paris bid obtained the best technical ranking and the best evaluation score in the 2012 race (according to the IOC evaluation report itself, unlike states your 'very serious analysis' of the bids/venues that a 6-year-old kid could have done: e.g. "this one is a joke, that one is ugly, this one is ahead, that on is 21st century & this one is not, that one beat this one, that one was 'shy'....blah blah blah " )..

And may I remind you also, still about the 2012 race, which was one of the highest bidding process‎ in Olympic history, that Paris lost in the final round (i.e. above New York City, Moscow and Madrid which were far from being sideline participants) by only 3 votes out of 104 voting members... which is very tight... so I'm not sure at all that the Paris bid and proposed venues can be called "a joke" or "shy" like you said.

Anyway....

[Axelferis]

i maintain that for the moment if the bid is like the one for 2012 we are doomed to lose again whatever you say .

Every round bid are higher in quality and now your dream about 2024 is based on weak projects.

I don't see regeneration of some urban areas there. I see nothing new then it is a useless proposal because like FIFA, CIO want to avoid 'white elephants'

we should stress on 'grand paris' before parading on international messes to throw at world face so poor ambitions

[djidma11]

I hope 2020 Olympics will be in Doha or Tokyo,if Paris wants to bid for 2024!It will be great!!!

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

and now your dream about 2024 is based on weak projects.

It's not my dream personally.
And which "weak projects" are you referring to ? Since today there's no official bid and no projects !

Originally Posted by Axelferis

we should stress on 'grand paris' before parading on international messes to throw at world face so poor ambitions

Oh God, you're really an embarrassment.. How on earth can you talk about "poor ambitions" since you haven't seen anything at all yet about a potential future Paris bid ?

BTW, I don't see what a hypothetic administrative "Grand Paris" has to do with that. You know, Paris since decades (if not centuries), and even without this administrative entity, is changing day after day with numerous projects & achievements no matter they are outside or inside the boundaries of the City proper, especially regarding transportations, redevelopments etc.
Actually, I think the main problem with you Axel, is you don't know Paris at all, neither you know what you're talking about regarding the previous bids, and bidding processes etc.


PS: Now, can we please go back to the topic of this thread and discuss about the various possible hypothesis, etc, regarding a future Paris bid. Thank you !
(And if you don't like such a topic, then don't post and don't comment in this thread)

[Boriska]

Paris didn't lose the 2012 Olympic Race. It's London which won this. Nuance

The only thing who made Paris lose, it's maybe the tactic to pass Paris to a charming small village.
The question is not to sell Paris like NY or London, Paris is not NY or London.
Although, Paris is a 12 Million of Inhabitants Agglomeration. The capital of luxury fashion.

[Boriska]

And also, the Champ de Mars. Maybe the future Olympic Ceremonies Theatre. I hope

[RobH]

Bid-wise - a summary:

• Paris lost in 1992 to a Barcelona bid which had the backing of a powerful IOC President.
• Paris lost in 2008 to a Beijing bid that was always going to win.
• Paris lost in 2012 by a tiny margin in probably the most competitive Olympic bidding field in recent history and topped the IOC's technical analysis.

Paris will always put a strong bid forward. They'll never be a lame-duck candidate like Annecy was. Bear in mind this bidding history before going in too strongly with the technical criticisms!

Venue-wise:

SdF hosted a superb World Athletics Championships in 2003. It may well need a lick of paint and some renovation by 2024, I don't know, but it's certainly suitable.

In the 2012 bid race, Paris was up against a London bid offering a bespoke athletics venue. That, I believe, swung the powerful athletics lobby towards London's bid and could have been what made the difference. The SdF was never really a problem itself. It was simply a case of a more tempting offer on the table.

Paris' bid was centred around a lot of temporary venues. Technically, this wasn't an issue for the IOC (as the report shows), but whether Paris went overboard in this respect is arguable. I certainly think that's an aspect they'll look at if they bid again. That doesn't mean they have to go for a full-blown Olympic Park, but perhaps Paris' bid was a little dry (though undoubtedly technically very strong) in this respect.

Olympic Village and related infrastrcuture:

The London bid that defeated Paris had a village in the Olympic Park; walking distance for a lot of competitors but a bit of a jaunt for others. Paris' bid had a village equidistant between two clusters so all athletes had a fairly short jounrey but none had a jaunt or a roll-out-of-bed. This was a good concept that was praised by the IOC - in no way should that be considered a failure of Paris' bid just because the bid that defeated it had a different concept.

As I understand it the land this village was to be built on is now being put to different use so a different concept will have to be worked out for 2024.

Presentation and momentum:

Paris shot themselves in the foot with a lackluster presentation and a President prone to foot-in-mouth disease. It was in some ways defeat snatched from the jaws of victory. It was as much the opposite for London's bid.

The fact that Paris lacked momentum by the end whilst London was at its peak was certainly true. I can't put my finger on why this was, but Paris seemed to have run out of steam a bit by the vote.

There was much talk afterwards of French arrogance and complacancy but I don't believe this to be true - I think that's a rather lazy analaysis. If anything, having followed the 2012 race the opposite was true. Paris tried so hard to come across as technically focussed and humble after the 2008 failure that they probably undersold themselves in the end (I think England 2018 suffered from the same problems with its hangover from the 2006 defeat).

But remember:

Paris lost 2012 by less than a handful of votes. It is a World Capital. It might be beaten by new frontiers with unstoppable momentum and IOC backing or by other World Capitals like London, but under normal circumstances it ought to come out on top with a competent bid plan (which it has always had).

Africa is perhaps the next Beijing, Rio...etc. I don't know how well a Paris bid would fare against a strong South African bid, for example. But that unanswerable aside, Paris is well capable of beating anyone and I think would if it ever threw its hat in again.

Its 2012 bid needs tweaks, polishing, and better selling. Not an overhaul. And getting Mike Lee and his agency on board - the team that co-ordinated the bids for London 2012, Rio 2016 and Qatar 2022 - mightn't be a bad idea.

BUT, and this is the biggie, is support there to go cap-in-hand to the IOC again? Does Paris, does its Mayor, does the French Government, the French public want to risk everything again? Is Paris' biggest hurdle actually itself? I know that sounds superficially silly, but I do wonder.

[Boriska]

Very good analysis RobH.
I'd like to talk to you about the Olympic Bids, but I don't speak english very well.