2024 Summer Olympics / Games of the XXXIII Olympiad bids

[parcdesprinces]

@Rob, Thanks indeed for your post !

I think it's a quite complete, fair and objective analysis.
Thanks again for having taken the time to write such a clear summary of the situation.

[Boriska]

The Grand Palais hosted the 2010 Fencing World Championships











The Lagardère Paris Racing for me, it's Racing Club de France for ever. In the "Croix-Catelan" site at Bois de Boulogne.






The swim stadium which will be probably used for Triathlon and Pentathlon Swimming competitions.


And a... project. Just for Tennis. (beh...)

[Boriska]

The last time Paris hosts Summer Olympics, it was on... 1924

The Olympic Stadium, in Colombes, the former and glorious Stade Yves-du-Manoir



In 2020, there are plans to house the Centre National de Handball.
The venue is still too remote is poorly served for an Olympic venue today...

[Axelferis]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

Oh God, you're really an embarrassment.. How on earth can you talk about "poor ambitions" since you haven't seen anything at all yet about a potential future Paris bid ?

And you how can you pretend it will be a good bid without seen those projects? be coherent please

BTW, I don't see what a hypothetic administrative "Grand Paris" has to do with that. t regarding the previous bids, and bidding processes etc.

According to you paris is great enough to host a big olympic village like in London?

Please look at reality! Every single projects in paris is hurted by nimbies. Where do you want to put a project like that when you know that the spaces lacks! And why? just because the boundaries are narrow !

Do you realize that stratford is an entire city-village that is included to London with its own international railways station?
Where has you seen such a possibility inner paris?

Do you think CIO will give those olympics to this nimby city where every single project lands on a justice courtyard?

Wake up man! Your city about the sports question is behind a lot of world cities!

Even your arena 92 is blocked now.

I don't want to see paris ridiculized again on international scenes when we did'nt learnt about our mistakes (catherine deneuve in the middle of champs elysées with nobody and vintage color on video )

We lack of ambitions.
games costs so much that Londoners will remember it in their ar** for a long time

I don't believe one second to this candidature when you know that government intents to reduce all the cost possible.

then i leave this useless thread because some guys are unable to realize the economic situation in which we are (and for a long time)

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

And you how can you pretend it will be a good bid without seen those projects? be coherent please

Where did I write it will be a good bid, you silly troll ?

And for the rest of your post... I didn't read it 'cause I don't care (and I'm pretty sure it's off-topic and full of nonsenses).



EDIT: Actually I just read this sentence at the end of your post (and I'm glad to have read it):

Originally Posted by Axelferis

then i leave this useless thread

You won't be missed !

[Boriska]

C'est bon, il se casse ?
Merci.


I continue my Paris Sports Tour

Stade Charléty. 20,000. Track and field, and Rugby







Future Stade Jean Bouin, Rugby and Hockey field. 20,000 too.

[Boriska]

Évoquons aussi trois projets du dossier sans ambition et petit bras de Paris 2012.

Taken from the Website PSS-Archi

Originally Posted by Phil

Le Dôme - capacité : 15 000 places


Le Dôme est une extension prévue du stade historique de Roland-Garros. Cette salle à toit rétractable sera capable d’accueillir des compétitions
internationales de tennis. Le Dôme sera soigneusement intégré à l’environnement naturel, en bordure du Bois de Boulogne. La couverture d’un
échangeur routier offrira l’occasion d’un aménagement paysager nouveau, reliant le Bois aux quartiers environnants.

The Dome is a planned extension to the adjacent Roland-Garros Stadium. It will be a multi-functional arena with a retractable roof capable of hosting
international tennis competitions. The Dome will be carefully integrated into its natural surroundings on the edge of the Bois de Boulogne, and will
provide a new landscaped connection to the neighbourhoods by covering a road interchange.


Le Centre Aquatique - capacité : 20 000 places


Le centre aquatique sera construit le long du canal Saint-Denis au nord-ouest de Paris, offrant à ce territoire insuffisamment équipé en
piscines un équipement attendu depuis longtemps. Après les Jeux, le site, qui pourra accueillir des compétitions internationales, verra sa
capacité d’accueil réduite à 5 000 spectateurs.

The Aquatic Centre will be located adjacent to the Canal St-Denis in the north-west of Paris, and will be a long overdue community facility
for an area lacking in swimming pools. After the Games, the facility, able to host major international events will have its seating capacity
reduced to 5,000.

Le Superdôme - capacité : 22 000 places


Le SuperDôme sera une salle de sports et de spectacles de niveau mondial, capable d’accueillir des événements internationaux majeurs. Sa
construction donnera une impulsion déterminante au réaménagement de la zone de la Porte de la Chapelle, créant ainsi un lien nouveau
entre la Ville de Paris et sa périphérie nord.
The SuperDome will be a world-class sporting and entertainment venue capable of hosting a variety of major international events. The
construction of the SuperDome will be a major stimulus for the redevelopment of the Porte de la Chapelle area, providing a new link between
the City of Paris and its northern surburbs.


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Edité le 30/12/2004 à 03:35 par Phil

http://www.froggydelight.com (photos tous droits réservés)







Le repère olympique, à l'emplacement des Batignolles.
On était en 2005 et on avait de l'espoir

[RobH]

Do you realize that stratford is an entire city-village that is included to London with its own international railways station?
Where has you seen such a possibility inner paris?

There's more than one way to skin a cat. Just because London's doing it one way, doesn't mean there aren't other models that can and do work for hosting the Games.

Do you think CIO will give those olympics to this nimby city where every single project lands on a justice courtyard?

London doesn't have any NIMBYs, well know fact

then i leave this useless thread because some guys are unable to realize the economic situation in which we are (and for a long time)

Now that's a different question entirely. There's of course a difference between could and should. The should is up to you guys to fight out, it's not my money that'll be spent on a Paris Games but yours. But the could, I'm happy to weigh in on that.

[Axelferis]

RobH-> i think you'll feel the total invoice of the games soon.
The prestige is one thing. The economic crisis is another.

The last countries to have organized olympics summer were australia & china. They are in a better financial shape than UK.

This olympic race is a madness by those days

I prefer paris organize them when the city itself will make its 21st century revolution. like for an universal exposition
Maybe by years 2030's ?

[Boriska]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

then i leave this useless thread because some guys are unable to realize the economic situation in which we are (and for a long time)

Tiens ta promesse s'il te plaît

[Lord David]

Originally Posted by Axelferis

RobH-> i think you'll feel the total invoice of the games soon.
The prestige is one thing. The economic crisis is another.

The last countries to have organized olympics summer were australia & china. They are in a better financial shape than UK.

This olympic race is a madness by those days

I prefer paris organize them when the city itself will make its 21st century revolution. like for an universal exposition
Maybe by years 2030's ?

Are you implying that France is in an economic crisis? Aren't they (and Germany) the ones bailing out the European nations huge in debt? Like Italy and Greece? Even though, places like Italy and Greece owe them?

Oh and one of the primary reasons Paris lost 2012 was the fact that London offered a brand spanking new Olympic Park taking advantage of the idea of rejuvenating a derelict part of London. Paris proposed good use of existing venues, a new aquatics center, a major arena, but most of it's indoor sports were proposed to be held in indoor pavilions, that would have been temporary. Not much legacy there.

When Paris does bid again, I think it should re-think this approach and propose a new convention center legacy or national training center legacy for all these indoor sports.

[Axelferis]

@Lord david

-UK is in good financial shape? with cuts in pensions? To have been donwgraded to 7th from 6th place for economy power?

-Yes Paris 2012 was full of temporary venues. That's why i say if it's to refurbish the same bid by changing names of arenas & venues it's useless. More ambition please, then more money...but it's not the hour to expense

[hseugut]

Personne n'entend parler de Paris 2024 en France .. / Nobody heard of a Paris's bid for 2024 in France ....

[parcdesprinces]

Originally Posted by Lord David

Oh and one of the primary reasons Paris lost 2012 was the fact that London offered a brand spanking new Olympic Park taking advantage of the idea of rejuvenating a derelict part of London. Paris proposed good use of existing venues, a new aquatics center, a major arena, but most of it's indoor sports were proposed to be held in indoor pavilions, that would have been temporary. Not much legacy there.

Well, it seems that this is much more your personal opinion, than the IOC one. Because if what you said was correct, then tell me why Paris bid obtained the best bid evaluation score according to the IOC report itself (London bid was ranked third), and all what you said doesn't explain also why Paris bid lost in the final round (after NYC, Moscow and Madrid were eliminated; not to mention Rio, Istanbul, etc which haven't even been shortlisted) by only 3 votes out of 104 IOC voting members.


Oh and BTW, Paris bid included "only" 6 temporary pavilions (for minor sports/competitions + the Handball final round) ! Which means less than London if we include ExCel and its 5 temporary arenas + of course the Basketball & water-polo temporary pavilions. = In the end it's the same result than the Paris bid in terms of temporary venues/arenas.

[Boriska]

Originally Posted by hseugut

Personne n'entend parler de Paris 2024 en France .. / Nobody heard of a Paris's bid for 2024 in France ....

http://www.sudouest.fr/2012/04/12/sa...86265-4705.php

[Boriska]

Sarkozy talked about the 2024 Summer Olympics.

http://www.sudouest.fr/2012/04/12/sa...86265-4705.php








Here is the Arena 92, who actually gets a... little problem with some stupid Nimbies. I'll come Sunday with a big weapon.

And the Pierre-de-Coubertin Stadium. A little gymnasium next to Parc des Princes 4,200 places. Beautiful.

[parcdesprinces]

204 ?

(j'efface mon post dès que tu as corrigé le tien )

[Boriska]

[Boriska]

Reparlons de 2012.

Quand on résume le dossier de Paris 2012, on se rend compte qu'il y avait en réalité très peu de failles. Les sites étaient très bien choisis, ce n'est donc pas un problème de pavillons temporaires. Notre ami parcdesprinces l'a précisé, Londres a autant de pavillons temporaires que Paris.

Par contre, entre la façon dont Machin-Bidule a vendu la ville de Paris en 2012 (en la faisant passer pour ce qu'elle n'est pas : un mignon petit village de France) et la façon dont Sebastian Coe a vendu Londres (en la faisant passer pour ce qu'elle cherche déséspérément à être : une mega-giga Ville super moderne et qui est la plus grande ville du Monde et la Capitale du Monde, et tout ça) le CIO a fait son choix. Et ce fut serré tout de même. Seulement trois votes d'écart. Malgré tout je maintiens que si Paris avait été présentée autrement, on aurait gagné une dizaine de membres qui auraient davantage adhéré qu'avec Londres.

L'analyse de RobH est des plus exactes selon moi. Il faut bien préciser (mais ce n'est pas encore très clair dans l'esprit si négatif et si français de nos compatriotes) que Paris n'a pas réelement perdu les Jeux. Mais c'est Londres qui les a gagné au final.

Et quand je vois que cette organisation tombe pile au mauvais moment pour les rosbifs (Crise économique) avec tous leurs beaux projets et leurs pubs de promotion avec Mark Ronson et l'Eurostar. Je suis très très contents pour eux et ils les ont bien mérité ces Jeux Olympiques

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Let's talk about 2012.

When we summarize the case of Paris 2012, we realize that there were actually very few flaws. The sites were very well chosen, this is not a problem of temporary pavilions. Mr. parcdesprinces pointed out, London has many temporary pavilions that Paris.

By cons, between how-Machin Bidule sold the city of Paris in 2012 (by passing it for what it is not: a cute little village in France) and how Sebastian Coe has sold London (by passing it for what it desperately wants to be: a mega-giga super modern city and is the largest city and Capital of the World and stuff) the IOC has made its choice. And it was still tight. Only three votes apart. Still I maintain that if Paris had been presented differently, we would have won a dozen members who would have adhered more than London.

The analysis of RobH is more accurate in my opinion. It should be clear (but it is still unclear in mind if negative and if our French compatriots) that Paris has not lost réelement Games. But it is London that has won in the end.

And when I see that this organization falls battery at the wrong time for roasts (Economic Crisis) with all their beautiful projects and their promotion pubs with Mark Ronson and the Eurostar. I am very very happy for them and they have deserved these Olympics: D

[Boriska]

Originally Posted by parcdesprinces

204 ?

(j'efface mon post dès que tu as corrigé le tien )

Tu sais ce qu'on dit : Jamais 204