UEFA EURO 2024 bids

[www.sercan.de]

Actually it looks like Turkey will choose the Olympics. Therefore bye bye Euro 2020 and they will try to get 2024.

Transportation is not perfect.

Freeways(?)
Roads with 4 or more lanes


Highways
Izmir-Istanbul for example is u/c since 2010


High-speed rail (map from 2009)



Airports:
I think Bursa, Konya and Eskisehir need a new airport.

Istanbul will get its 3rd airport with a capacity of 150 Mil passengers (So total airport capacity for Istanbul will be 215 Mil passengers / year). Actually Sabiha Gökcen (cap. 25 Mil. will be expanded)


Ankara has got a new airport, but it lloks like it will be expanded.
Cap. is 10 Mil / passengers


Antalya:
35 Mil / year
I think a new terminal is also planned


Izmir has got also a new airport / terminal
10 Mil


Kayseri:
-New terminal opened in 2007.
- capacity 1 Mil

[lagaan]

Originally Posted by Superpippo12

If Hungary can go for a tripple-bid with Romania and Bulgaria they only need three stadiums. Hungary is a sleeping giant in football, they have great traditions for football back in the Puskas era. Hosting a euro could wake up the sleeping giant.
I think with 24 teams UEFA should allow a three country bid.

So:Wales-Scotland-Ireland
Romania-Bulgaria-Hungary
Norway-Sweden-Denmark

They’ve never hosted.

There is zero political will and public support for hosting EURO 2024 in Hungary. Nobody even talks about it any longer. Not to mention that it would not be profitable to organize such an event.

[PaulFCB]

Maybe Romania can try to bid along with Serbia for 2024, there are like 5 years left till a decision for this.
Romania-Serbia-Bulgaria looks good too.
Bucharest for 63k, Belgrade for 50k. Timisoara and Cluj for 40k. Sofia for 40k. 2 more in Bulgaria temporary 30k, 1 for Partizan in Belgrade 30k and one more temporary 30k ( something like Tivoli-Neu, easily reduced to under 20k later ).

I think by 2024, Romania can easily host with just another nation. 5 stadiums Romania, 4 stadium Serbia or Bulgaria and we have a deal. UEFA will probably permit more than one stadium/city so Belgrade covers 2, another 2 cities with 30k temporary and it's a done deal.
I think Serbia would be an excellent co-host to Romania, they wouldn't host with Croatia or another ex-Yugolsav country, Hungary looked more eager to do it with Croatia and we can leave that for 2028/2032 also...

[Superpippo12]

Originally Posted by PaulFCB

Maybe Romania can try to bid along with Serbia for 2024, there are like 5 years left till a decision for this.
Romania-Serbia-Bulgaria looks good too.
Bucharest for 63k, Belgrade for 50k. Timisoara and Cluj for 40k. Sofia for 40k. 2 more in Bulgaria temporary 30k, 1 for Partizan in Belgrade 30k and one more temporary 30k ( something like Tivoli-Neu, easily reduced to under 20k later ).

I think by 2024, Romania can easily host with just another nation. 5 stadiums Romania, 4 stadium Serbia or Bulgaria and we have a deal. UEFA will probably permit more than one stadium/city so Belgrade covers 2, another 2 cities with 30k temporary and it's a done deal.
I think Serbia would be an excellent co-host to Romania, they wouldn't host with Croatia or another ex-Yugolsav country, Hungary looked more eager to do it with Croatia and we can leave that for 2028/2032 also...

I hope UEFA can circulate between the areas:
last 2000:
North west europe: UK+ Scandinavia+Holland+Belgium
Last 2016:
South west europe:France,Italy,Spain,Portugal
Last 2008
Central europe:Switzerland+Austria+Germany+Luxembourg+Hungary
Last 2012
North east europe:Poland,Ukraine,Czech,Russia+= old east block
Last 2020? (Turkey)
South east europe:Balkan+Romania,Bulgaria+Turkey.

So it would be nice to have the euros back to northern europe since they havent hosted since 2000 (Belgium+Holland)
Then Scandinavia or UK should be the major candidates I hope.

[a001lan]

Kazakhstan! or Russia. RUS after WC18 will have all the infrastructure and stadiums ready for EURO.

[pramzan]

Russia shouldn't have the Euros just after they've had the World Cup.

I'd like to see it in Scandinavia (assuming Turkey gets it in 2020).

I see no reason why Norway, Sweden and Denmark couldn't have 4 great stadiums each.

[uğur]

Sercan,there is enormous problems in our borders with iraq qnd syria,smuggle and terrorists are big problem and unfortunately we can't control our boundaries good enough but I think if ukraine are getting euro,this tournament should be given to us.

[www.sercan.de]

Oh sorry, i thought with borders he meant war (Syria, Iraq or Iran) etc

[uğur]

[Rusty48]

2020 EURO Ireland-Scotland-Wales
2024 EURO Turkey

[Superpippo12]

Originally Posted by pramzan

Russia shouldn't have the Euros just after they've had the World Cup.

I'd like to see it in Scandinavia (assuming Turkey gets it in 2020).

I see no reason why Norway, Sweden and Denmark couldn't have 4 great stadiums each.

Their is no need for four each, ten stadiums is enough. Four in Sweden, three in DK and Norway each.
My suggestion
UEFA demands:
2. 50.0000+(Oslo and Stockholm)
4. 40.000+(Gothenburg,Copenhagen1,Copenhagen2,Malmø)
4. 30.000+(Århus,Trondheim,Bergen and Stockholm2)

Sweden already have three stadiums ready.

Stockholm:Friends arena (50.000 opens in 2012)
Stockholm: Stockholmsarenan(30.000 opens in 2013)
Gothenburg: Nya Ullevi(43.000) needs some renovation?
Malmø can be expandede from 24.000 to 40.000 by 2024

Denmark: (One stadium ready) (2 expansions needed)

Copenhagen:Parken stadium 42.000 (ready)
Copenhagen:Brøndby stadium must be expanded to 40.000
Århus:Nrgi park must be expanded to 30.000

Norway: (0 stadiums ready), 1 new to build, 2 expansions.
Oslo: (Plans to build 50.000 national arena will be realized, maybe 2024?)
Trondheim: ( Lerkendal expanded from 22k to 30k)
Bergen: (Brann stadion expanded from 17k to 30k)

1 new 50k national arena in Oslo to be built by 2024.
4 stadiums ready (Stockholm,Stockholm2,Copenhagen,Gothenburg)
5 expansions (Malmø,Trondheim,Bergen,Århus,Copenhagen2)

[Superpippo12]

Stadiums: Sweden:

Friends arena 50.000: Stockholm opens 2012

Stockholms arenan 30.000: Stockholm opens 2013

Ullevi 43.200 Gothenburg

Malmø: Swedbank stadium 24.000 must be expanded to 40.000


Denmark

Copenhagen Parken stadium 42.000 (expanded to 50k?)

Copenhagen2: Brøndby stadium:must beexpanded from 30k to 40k.

Århus:NRGI Park: Expanded from 20k to 30k needed

Norway:

Oslo:New national arena 50.000 by 2024?

Trondheim: Lerkendal expanded from 22k to 30k

Bergen: Brann stadion expanded from 17k to 30k

[alexandru.mircea]

That looks good, but is football in Denmark and Norway developing enough to warrant those significant stadium expansions? I'm asking because as we all know, there needs to be demand on long term in order to justify the redevelopment program.

[kalaha]

I would love to see the Euros in Scandinavia (especially in Denmark, of course) - I just don't think it is realistic. There is no need for the big stadiums for anything, but the tournament itself.

Regarding a 3 country bid, I don't think UEFA like the idea of giving 3 teams a free pass to the tournament, but on the otherhand have they made it possible with the need for 10 stadiums and 24 participating teams from 2016 and onwards.

Regarding Parken, the capacity have been 38k for a few years since they made a new end stand. Also I think some parts of the countries will feel a bit cheated, if Copenhagen will have two venues and Malmö one.

[Superpippo12]

Originally Posted by alexandru.mircea

That looks good, but is football in Denmark and Norway developing enough to warrant those significant stadium expansions? I'm asking because as we all know, there needs to be demand on long term in order to justify the redevelopment program.

New stadiums in Norway will work fine, 30k in bergen in Trondheim can work well. The stadiums will not be packed but, 20k average their on league matches is realistic by 2024. About 15k average for both today on league matches. The stadiums are to small for the big matches champions league always packed. The national arena Ullevaal already far too small for the big matches (26.000).

Denmark must also expand Parken to 50k(8k new seats) and Brøndby stadium to 40k(10k new seats) and Århus 30k(10k new seats)

Norway:
In Oslo:50.000 national arena, 50k completely new
their is a need for a new and bigger national arena, todays 26.000 Ullevaall is to small for qualification matches and cup finals. A 50.000 seater in Oslo can work well for qualification matches and cup finals. It will be a national arena as Saind Denis,Wembley , Hampden etc. So in 12 years a new national arena 50.000 in Oslo, maybe?

Bergen: expand from 17k to 30k, 13k new seats
It depends on how good the team Brann does, if Brann Bergen is in the top of the league, then it is no problem to sell out 30.000 tickets each match. A 30.000 seater in Bergen is quite sutiable by 2024. Plans to expand to 22k are already under way. A double decker on the long side will fix this.

Trondheim: expand from 22k to 30k, 8k new seats
Rosenborg had an average 17.000 spectators in the gold season 2010. For champions league matches it would be no problem to sell out Lerkendal 30.000 and if Roseborg is in the top of the league. 30.000 is just 8.000 more seats, so not that much. Closing the open corners a new decker will fix this

Denmark:
Copenhagen: (2 stadiums 50k and 40k), total 10k new seats pr. arena
They can have two stadiums, Parken can be expanded to 50k and used as a national arena for qualification and cup finals. National arena as wembley,saint denis etc. Closing the open corners and a double decker in on the short side will fix this.
Brøndby stadium in Copenhagen is already 30k so it can be expanded to 40k. Building higher.
Århus (30k) 10k new seats
NRGI park) expanded from 20k to 30k,builiding a new double-decker on the long side will fix this.

[Superpippo12]

Originally Posted by kalaha

I would love to see the Euros in Scandinavia (especially in Denmark, of course) - I just don't think it is realistic. There is no need for the big stadiums for anything, but the tournament itself.

Regarding a 3 country bid, I don't think UEFA like the idea of giving 3 teams a free pass to the tournament, but on the otherhand have they made it possible with the need for 10 stadiums and 24 participating teams from 2016 and onwards.

Regarding Parken, the capacity have been 38k for a few years since they made a new end stand. Also I think some parts of the countries will feel a bit cheated, if Copenhagen will have two venues and Malmö one.

Norway could easily give their part. 50k in Oslo, 30k in Bergen and 30k in Trondheim. A new national arena is highly needed in Norway, and Ullevaal is always sold out for qual matches and ticket prices already far too high.

I think Copenhagen needs to have two, its the largest city in Scandinavia and Denmark is a vey small country. Århus should also have one 30k stadium(expansion from todays 20k).

With 24 teams a 3 country bid could work, scotland-ireland and wales have already got their bid approved, sp why shouldn’t dk,no and swe?

[kalaha]

Originally Posted by Superpippo12

I think Copenhagen needs to have two, its the largest city in Scandinavia and Denmark is a vey small country. Århus should also have one 30k stadium(expansion from todays 20k).

Believe me, if 2 of 3 venues in Denmark will be located in Copenhagen, with an additional in Malmö, the provincial cities in Denmark will yell very loud. I think it is realistic to expend the stadium in Herning as the third Danish stadium, as the foundation when built where made ready for 50k. An alternative is a new stadium in Odense.

Originally Posted by Superpippo12

With 24 teams a 3 country bid could work, scotland-ireland and wales have already got their bid approved, sp why shouldn’t dk,no and swe?

I do not doubt it will be approved. In 2008 there was a Nordic 4 country bid, which got approved, but not selected.

If the tournament not was to be enlarged, I would say: "no way, we can't give 3 countries a spot without qualifying", but as I mentioned the enlargement makes doesn't make it that big a problem.

[Superpippo12]

Originally Posted by kalaha

Believe me, if 2 of 3 venues in Denmark will be located in Copenhagen, with an additional in Malmö, the provincial cities in Denmark will yell very loud. I think it is realistic to expend the stadium in Herning as the third Danish stadium, as the foundation when built where made ready for 50k. An alternative is a new stadium in Odense.



I do not doubt it will be approved. In 2008 there was a Nordic 4 country bid, which got approved, but not selected.

If the tournament not was to be enlarged, I would say: "no way, we can't give 3 countries a spot without qualifying", but as I mentioned the enlargement makes doesn't make it that big a problem.

To summarize what UEFA demands:

Scandinavian bid: Home teams need 50k+ stadiums for there matches, so Norway and Denmark both needs to come up with a 50k stadium.

50kOslo,Stockholm,Copenhagen)=3)
40kGothenburg,Malmø, Copenhagen2)=3
30k(Århus,Bergen,Trondheim,Stockholm2)=4

The problem will be the last 40k stadium. If copenhagen cant have two, then an other city needs to have a 40k in Norway or Denmark. I think 30k is maximum and suitable for trondheim,Bergen and Aarhus. A second 40k stadium sounds best in Copenhagen, when stockholm can have two stadiums then Copenhagen can.
I think national areanas 50k in Oslo and Copenhagen is sensible by 2024.

[Superpippo12]

Originally Posted by Laurence2011

I know this may be a touch early, but anyone want to suggest who they think should host?

A Scandinavia euro will be a compact championship with good transportation solutions. All host cities can be reached without ferries, and most routes are covered by motorways(some missing in Norway) and trains between all cities.

Transportation for a scandinavian bid will also be excellent. A meshed motorway network between the cities, and quite good train solutions to by 2024.



Transportation: (Motorway and train side-by-side between the cities), between Oslo-Copenhagen by 2024.



A new airport express train between trondheim and the airport



Ørsundsbroen tieing Sweden and Denmark togehter.



Bridges connecting Scandinavia.Sweden and Continental europe. Trains and motorways. The new Ferman bridge will integrate continentak europe and Scandinavia in an excellent way. So flight not so much needed for continetal fans.

[JimB]

Originally Posted by Superpippo12

A Scandinavia euro will be a compact championship.

I wouldn't have said that a Scandinavian Euros would be especially compact.

From Trondheim in the north to Odense in the south and from Bergen in the west to Stockholm in the east, the area covered would be nearly twice the size of Germany, four times the size of England and getting on for ten times the size of Holland and Belgium combined!

Furthermore, two co hosts is one thing - but three co hosts is getting a bit much, IMO.

Also, what about poor, old Finland?! Aren't they part of Scandinavia - even if their language shares nothing in common with the others?