The London Olympic Cauldron

jerseyboi · December 25th, 2011, 02:46 PM

What's Your Prediction for the 2012 Cauldron?

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1

Out Side the Main Stadium

2

On top of the Orbit?

3

Around the top of the main stadium?

4
Or Something else?

TheWalker · December 25th, 2011, 04:39 PM

I'm hoping for the first option.

pete74656 · December 25th, 2011, 05:33 PM

the cauldron will be on the grass in the centre of the stadium then transfered during the opening ceremony to a space above the stadium

Knitemplar · December 25th, 2011, 05:39 PM

It will be something like Option #1. It has to be. After building a full bowl like Birds Nest, that pretty much excluded doing something connected to the actual structure of the stadium, say a la Sydney. So the only alternative left for a rather combustible, somewhat dangerous piece would be a strucutre by itself unattached to the main stadium.

Design? Well, Heatherwisk may design something to make it unique--maybe in 3 stages to denote London's hosting the Games 3x? Or something like that.

How will it be lit? Again, they're left with no choice but a guy-wire from the main stadium floor a la Albertville, Atlanta and faking it like Torino. Except maybe they're use 3 lighters.

guy4versa · December 25th, 2011, 05:53 PM

im hoping 3 or 4..please not other tall structure outside stadium

R.K.Teck · December 25th, 2011, 09:42 PM

Even though it's official that some guy has been brought in to design a special cauldron, I'm still expecting 2, which would be a shame.

I'll go 4. Something else, a flame held in a cauldron levitating over the track and field in the middle of the spider's web in a similar fasion to the bigscreen at this football stadium:

pete74656 · December 25th, 2011, 10:43 PM

rk your very close to the answer

Knitemplar · December 25th, 2011, 10:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R.K.Teck

Even though it's official that some guy has been brought in to design a special cauldron, I'm still expecting 2, which would be a shame.

I'll go 4. Something else, a flame held in a cauldron levitating over the track and field in the middle of the spider's web in a similar fasion to the bigscreen at this football stadium:

What? And you'll have gas lines running overhead?

The IOC and the Fire Marshalls won't approve that.

Impractical. It offers NO SURPRISE whatsoever to the OC audience. This scheme was considered for Beijing and even Birds Nest with a more solid roof than London's Stadium, that idea was nixed.

As for the Orbital, read the other thread. The Orbit did NOT apply nor was it granted a permit to have some sort of fiery thing on top. LOCOG will have nothing to do with that Orbit.

Above all, read the IOC Charter. The Org Committee is guided by that.

MartinLeRoy · December 26th, 2011, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knitemplar

This scheme was considered for Beijing and even Birds Nest with a more solid roof than London's Stadium, that idea was nixed.

There is already going to be a suspended ring over the middle of the stadium. It is solid enough.

Knitemplar · December 26th, 2011, 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MartinLeRoy

There is already going to be a suspended ring over the middle of the stadium. It is solid enough.

So what? The IOC Charter states that "...the flame/cauldron must be visible to a great part of the host city..." which is why it is, for the most part, located in a HIGH PERCH above the stadium. If it floated in the middle of the stadium...which it will NOT...it will ONLY be visible from the top of the Orbit.

MartinLeRoy · December 26th, 2011, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Knitemplar

So what?

I was simply stating the the roof is strong enough to suspend the flame over the centre.

RobH · December 26th, 2011, 08:52 PM

Tend to agree with KnightTemplar on this.

In terms of practicalities I'm not sure it would work and even it would I'm not sure it'd be desirable. There will be a metal ring in the centre of the stadium but its purpose is for lighting and sounds rigs and the like. I don't know if it would be strong enough for a cauldron. Besides which, having a gas pipe going across a fabric roof and dangling across the stadium doesn't sound massively safe. And also, nobody would have a great view of it from up there. You'd see the bottom of it and that's about it from inside the stadium, and from the outside it'd be invisible.

The Orbit will be open to posh receptions during the Games so on safety grounds can't see that happening! I should think whoever is being wined and dined up there will want to see the cauldron and not be a part of it. So I'm ruling out the Orbit.

So, it'll be #1 or #4 I reckon. Either they've taken up the planning permission they had on the tower to the north of the stadium, or London is thinking completely outside the box and do something not seen before. If I was a betting man I'd go for #1.

Cat man do · December 27th, 2011, 01:04 AM

I kind of like the idea the whole stadium roof will be lit, a bit like a giant gas ring,

Knitemplar · December 27th, 2011, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cat man do

I kind of like the idea the whole stadium roof will be lit, a bit like a giant gas ring,

From a hologram to a WHOLE ring of Fire? Doesn't sound too green to me.

Same idea was considered for Vancouver because they used an indoor stadium. Of course, rejected because not only is the whole situation dangerously combustible...but it sends off the totally wrong environmental message. Even Qatar might not be so stupid as to try something like that.

Next.

n_pon88 · December 28th, 2011, 12:56 AM

how about a giant bunsen burner to show our scientific contribution to the world? ;P

guy4versa · December 28th, 2011, 09:51 AM

i think the cauldron will be on backside of triangle floodlight..

DarJoLe · December 28th, 2011, 12:16 PM

I'm going for number 5.

bertyboy · December 28th, 2011, 01:23 PM

Why can it not be on a structure inside the stadium? Or even on a Wembly-stylee arch? I don't think being outside the stadium would work.

jerseyboi · December 28th, 2011, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

I'm going for number 5.

your being naughty....

southseasteve · December 28th, 2011, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarJoLe

I'm going for number 5.

Nice one, I hope so

December 25th, 2011, 09:42 PM	#6
R.K.Teck The Hydro Join Date: Oct 2010 Posts: 1,665 Likes (Received): 57	Even though it's official that some guy has been brought in to design a special cauldron, I'm still expecting 2, which would be a shame. I'll go 4. Something else, a flame held in a cauldron levitating over the track and field in the middle of the spider's web in a similar fasion to the bigscreen at this football stadium: __________________ __ 2 0 2 0 1 2 1 2 2 0 2 0 1 2 1 2 London Calling! ___________________ V&A Museum. Dundee Waterfront. Kengo Kuma. 2015 Jute, Jam, Journalism... and Japanese Award Winning Architecture. _________________________________

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DarJoLe Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: London Posts: 15,662 Likes (Received): 393	I'm going for number 5. __________________ "I can quite confidently and with pride say that if everything goes to plan London 2012 will be the best Olympic Games and will surpass Barcelona and Sydney in terms of atmosphere, style and achievement. And not just about the sport. The whole city and its people will come alive and want to be a part of this. It just feels right." DarJoLe, May 19th 2006.

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December 25th, 2011, 04:39 PM	#2
TheWalker TheWalker Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 292 Likes (Received): 1	I'm hoping for the first option.

December 25th, 2011, 05:33 PM	#3
pete74656 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7 Likes (Received): 0	the cauldron will be on the grass in the centre of the stadium then transfered during the opening ceremony to a space above the stadium

December 25th, 2011, 05:39 PM	#4
Knitemplar Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 4,053 Likes (Received): 15	It will be something like Option #1. It has to be. After building a full bowl like Birds Nest, that pretty much excluded doing something connected to the actual structure of the stadium, say a la Sydney. So the only alternative left for a rather combustible, somewhat dangerous piece would be a strucutre by itself unattached to the main stadium. Design? Well, Heatherwisk may design something to make it unique--maybe in 3 stages to denote London's hosting the Games 3x? Or something like that. How will it be lit? Again, they're left with no choice but a guy-wire from the main stadium floor a la Albertville, Atlanta and faking it like Torino. Except maybe they're use 3 lighters. Last edited by Knitemplar; December 25th, 2011 at 06:12 PM.

December 25th, 2011, 05:53 PM	#5
guy4versa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: AlorStar Posts: 2,379 Likes (Received): 280	im hoping 3 or 4..please not other tall structure outside stadium

December 25th, 2011, 10:43 PM	#7
pete74656 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 7 Likes (Received): 0	rk your very close to the answer

December 26th, 2011, 08:52 PM	#12
RobH SPURRED Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: London / Kent Posts: 8,423 Likes (Received): 162	Tend to agree with KnightTemplar on this. In terms of practicalities I'm not sure it would work and even it would I'm not sure it'd be desirable. There will be a metal ring in the centre of the stadium but its purpose is for lighting and sounds rigs and the like. I don't know if it would be strong enough for a cauldron. Besides which, having a gas pipe going across a fabric roof and dangling across the stadium doesn't sound massively safe. And also, nobody would have a great view of it from up there. You'd see the bottom of it and that's about it from inside the stadium, and from the outside it'd be invisible. The Orbit will be open to posh receptions during the Games so on safety grounds can't see that happening! I should think whoever is being wined and dined up there will want to see the cauldron and not be a part of it. So I'm ruling out the Orbit. So, it'll be #1 or #4 I reckon. Either they've taken up the planning permission they had on the tower to the north of the stadium, or London is thinking completely outside the box and do something not seen before. If I was a betting man I'd go for #1.

December 27th, 2011, 01:04 AM	#13
Cat man do Founder of the 'Gy'. Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Carrbridge/Highlands Posts: 2,048 Likes (Received): 30	I kind of like the idea the whole stadium roof will be lit, a bit like a giant gas ring,

December 28th, 2011, 12:56 AM	#15
n_pon88 wishing i was in bkk Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: LDN/BKK Posts: 374 Likes (Received): 1	how about a giant bunsen burner to show our scientific contribution to the world? ;P

December 28th, 2011, 09:51 AM	#16
guy4versa Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: AlorStar Posts: 2,379 Likes (Received): 280	i think the cauldron will be on backside of triangle floodlight..

December 28th, 2011, 01:23 PM	#18
bertyboy Resident Ignoramus Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Bristol Posts: 2,813 Likes (Received): 106	Why can it not be on a structure inside the stadium? Or even on a Wembly-stylee arch? I don't think being outside the stadium would work.