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Old December 28th, 2011, 05:34 PM   #1
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Kisias tenure at N.C.C

When Phillip Kisia was shortlisted to succeed John Gakuo i must admit am one of those who believed that the guy had what it takes to steer Nairobi to new heights. Replacing Gakuo was always going to be a long shot for if i can recall well before he came on board N.C.C workers used to go on strike almost every fortnight for lack of salaries.
Over time i have come to be very pessimistic on whether Kisia has the will to transform our city or he is there massage his ego. He happened to rub me the wrong way when he said that motorists in Nairobi should pay a parking fee of Ksh 500 to park his vehicle for a whole day in Nairobi not because it was a strategy to rid the cbd of private vehicles but because they can afford it going a long way to compare Nairobi with several other cities in the world.
http://69.4.236.48/news/Kenyanews/Sh...ays-Kisia.html
You would expect that after comparing us to some of the best managed cities in the world he would do something to make Nairobi an attractive destination but fact on the ground is that N.C.C is going backwards at an alarming rate!
We have gone several years in Nairobi without talking of pothole but i would challenge anyone to say in his defence which estate in Nairobi where they have seen road repairs done timely and consistently.
I have only been Nairobi for the last decade and a half but i can bet its the first time am seeing potholes on streets end to end. We used to complain of shoddy repairs but it appears they are nonexistent these days.
If this guy stays at the helm for another full year i shudder to think what the state of Nairobi will be! I can stomach his arrogance but Nairobi needs a vision and we cannot progress if we keep on backtracking.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 06:21 PM   #2
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The problem with Nairobi is centralisation. Wasn't there a proposal to divide sections of the city into boroughs? I think a more decentralised system + efficient management can yield good results.

BTW, why do we need a mayor and a town clerk at the same time? I have always wondered what exactly it is the mayor does. We hardly ever hear about him (save for the times he's mentioned in some corruption scandals).

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Old December 28th, 2011, 06:41 PM   #3
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When Phillip Kisia was shortlisted to succeed John Gakuo i must admit am one of those who believed that the guy had what it takes to steer Nairobi to new heights. Replacing Gakuo was always going to be a long shot for if i can recall well before he came on board N.C.C workers used to go on strike almost every fortnight for lack of salaries.
Over time i have come to be very pessimistic on whether Kisia has the will to transform our city or he is there massage his ego. He happened to rub me the wrong way when he said that motorists in Nairobi should pay a parking fee of Ksh 500 to park his vehicle for a whole day in Nairobi not because it was a strategy to rid the cbd of private vehicles but because they can afford it going a long way to compare Nairobi with several other cities in the world.
http://69.4.236.48/news/Kenyanews/Sh...ays-Kisia.html
You would expect that after comparing us to some of the best managed cities in the world he would do something to make Nairobi an attractive destination but fact on the ground is that N.C.C is going backwards at an alarming rate!
We have gone several years in Nairobi without talking of pothole but i would challenge anyone to say in his defence which estate in Nairobi where they have seen road repairs done timely and consistently.
I have only been Nairobi for the last decade and a half but i can bet its the first time am seeing potholes on streets end to end. We used to complain of shoddy repairs but it appears they are nonexistent these days.
If this guy stays at the helm for another full year i shudder to think what the state of Nairobi will be! I can stomach his arrogance but Nairobi needs a vision and we cannot progress if we keep on backtracking.
You were not alone in believing in Kisia: after what we he did at the KICC, which he turned around from the hellhole that it was into the something it is today, I was sure we had the right guy for Nairobi. Alas! A bitter disappointment.

I have stayed in Nairobi more or less 13 years, but it is looking at its worst: you only have to walk along the major streets to see the sand, silt, mud, rubbish, rows and rows of potholes and potholes (esp Tom Mboya).

In matters such as this, sometimes you ask those who know better. And for me there is one shoeshine guy I frequent, who told me about Gakuo's MBWA style - walking around Nairobi all streets from 5am to see if they are clean and have been swept!
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Old December 28th, 2011, 06:55 PM   #4
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See the pics below I took on Tom Mboya Street in November this year, and while we have a Town Clerk! And a City Council!

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Old December 28th, 2011, 07:24 PM   #5
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I miss Gakuo. I think many Nairobi residents feel the same way.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 07:27 PM   #6
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The problem with Nairobi is centralisation. Wasn't there a proposal to divide sections of the city into boroughs? I think a more decentralised system + efficient management can yield good results.

BTW, why do we need a mayor and a town clerk at the same time? I have always wondered what exactly it is the mayor does. We hardly ever hear about him (save for the times he's mentioned in some corruption scandals).
Thats just one of the many ills of Nairobi and its direly needed especially with the fire department but then again if they cant pave 200 metres from city hall it means the problem is bigger than decentralisation since we expect it is the sections in the estates that should be crying wolf.
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Old December 28th, 2011, 08:37 PM   #7
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Kisia has failed to live upto his name.gakuo with the meagre resources and thousands of ghost workers managed to keep the city clean and rid it off beggars and hawkers.Now the hawkers are back in full force, beggars are everywhere and the city is becoming an eyesore.

I heard Kisia wants to run for Nairobi Governor.Good luck to him,but he will not get my vote.
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Old December 29th, 2011, 09:50 AM   #8
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I heard Kisia wants to run for Nairobi Governor.Good luck to him,but he will not get my vote.
I wonder if Gakuo wants the same post.
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Old January 5th, 2012, 03:12 PM   #9
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How i wish you guys with present day Nairobi photos can post them here to give him a wake-up call.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Philli...36725846358398
He is using the best images of Nairobi to boost his image
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Old January 5th, 2012, 06:53 PM   #10
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How i wish you guys with present day Nairobi photos can post them here to give him a wake-up call.
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Philli...36725846358398
He is using the best images of Nairobi to boost his image
Looks like he doesn't even update his facebook profile. Bure Kabisa!
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Old February 8th, 2012, 04:38 AM   #11
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Reliable information has it that we may be accusing kisia of something he is in no control of;roads. When gakuo was in office,the roads were done under n.c.c today they all fall under the jurisdiction of k.u.r.a. I have reason to believe things can only get worse in nairobi.
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Old February 8th, 2012, 05:39 PM   #12
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Reliable information has it that we may be accusing kisia of something he is in no control of;roads. When gakuo was in office,the roads were done under n.c.c today they all fall under the jurisdiction of k.u.r.a. I have reason to believe things can only get worse in nairobi.
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Old February 9th, 2012, 10:08 AM   #13
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Reliable information has it that we may be accusing kisia of something he is in no control of;roads. When gakuo was in office,the roads were done under n.c.c today they all fall under the jurisdiction of k.u.r.a. I have reason to believe things can only get worse in nairobi.
Actually Dhuks this is not entirely true.Some roads do fall under Nairobi City Council and others under KURA.For example Landhies road is under City Council, and Jogoo Road is under KURA. This makes the management of roads in the city rather complex and confusing.Which i believe has also led to to the negligence that we see in some roads.The way i understand it is, the City Council is in charge of most roads in the CBD and most Estate roads.KURA on the other hand, seems to be in charge of major roads such as Jogoo Road, ngong Road, Nairobi Ring Road, Outer ring Road , argwings kodhek etc.

Therefore, Kisia cannot escape the blame here.The Pics highlighted by Arzedu of Tom Mboya street falls under the City Council.So are the Bus Park roads which are in a mess.(railways bus park, machakos bus station).

I am not sure if works have resumed on Landhies Road, but last time i read that they were abandoned halfway due to non-payment by the city Council.While on the other hand, Jogoo Road works seem to be going on smoothly.

KURA seem to be doing a good job, and this can be evidenced by the speed in which they have expedited the process of starting the Langata Road expansion.

Ngong road is the only black mark on KURA's profile.2 years after the announcement of the planned expansion, nothing has been done.But the problem seems to be finding financiers, though the Japanese have expressed interest in funding it halfway.
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Add outering road 2 that KURA blacklist passed through it recently and its in such a dingy state
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This is how not to manage Nairobi, are 1500 askaris too few really?
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This is how not to manage Nairobi, are 1500 askaris too few really?

its a shame how Nairobi has deteriorated into such a pigsty of a city i mean we have no street cleaners, a crazy mayor who wants to legalize prositiution, a sleeping police department that is under budget, Countless of slums that have mushroomed up recently. but i have hope that the next mayor and town clerk will be a super team where both of them achieve goals that will help Nairobi be attractive again
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Are u guys smelling some campaign propaganda in the offing? No love lost to PWC but the survey they did on NCC literacy rate is hogwash in my opinion. Even in the ordinary population what are the odds that in picking a sample of ten people nine will turn out to be illiterate? Or did they skew their definition too high to prove that Ncc workers are illiterate?
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Are u guys smelling some campaign propaganda in the offing? No love lost to PWC but the survey they did on NCC literacy rate is hogwash in my opinion. Even in the ordinary population what are the odds that in picking a sample of ten people nine will turn out to be illiterate? Or did they skew their definition too high to prove that Ncc workers are illiterate?
If my memory serves me right, the word they used was "semi-skilled" and "unskilled" which is quite different from literacy levels.Though i did not read the whole report.
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If my memory serves me right, the word they used was "semi-skilled" and "unskilled" which is quite different from literacy levels.Though i did not read the whole report.
Then the papers took the cue and published what plays to the gallery
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Old April 14th, 2012, 09:44 AM   #20
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dhuks dont forget most of kanjo workers are those employed back in the days when having an A-level would land u a job as a senior govt official...so think about it.I dont see propaganda..I hoestly think kanjo is way below par in terms of perfomance and service delivery.

Now living in the states it my eyes are open and recorgnized that most things are matter of perception and attitude/culture and not money.I see videos f Kenya..the trash and the filth,i would wanna blame it on money but i think of it naona ni culture,kuna vitu we dont take serious and jus see them as favours in kenya ...yet ni rights!

give u a couple examples..i fly in to kenya early in morning and find kaa workers sleepin on floor..literally!thats and embarassment.try that here,and u are sure u'l lose your job!.not even that..jus show a sign of idleness in ur work place!

Theres no reaon we should have a filthy nairobi,no reason why kenyans cant have kanjo deliver on what we have paid for!!but gues what we do in kenya..we reward people that dont deliver!.kisia now standing for governor...watch this space..he might win..and wont be suprised!
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