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Old January 7th, 2012, 08:20 PM   #21
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Virgin Media have been running a new developments team since 2009
So conveniently missing almost all the new builds 2001 - 2012+! By 2009 not much was getting built.
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Old January 8th, 2012, 01:35 AM   #22
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I had a 16mb service for a while but didnt like it, was very unreliable with the line always dropping particularly when recieving an incoming phone call or in bad weather. Went back to an unlimited 8mb business service (which actually is giving speeds of 10mb) and much happier.

Local exchange is supposed to be upgraded to 40mb by December 31st 2012 with fibre to cabinet and (optionally) fiber to home services, will see if that makes a difference to its reliability worth going high speed again.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 03:02 PM   #23
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Don't get me started on poor internet speeds! I'm on the $ky unlimited package, paying £10 extra to have no download restrictions. The speed is dreadful, usually peaking at about 1.6Mb on a good day and frequently dropping out. I've talked to $ky about the speed but they refer me to BT who I rent the line from. I speak to BT about the speed/quality of the connection and they simply say that it's not their problem. They're providing me with a connection, that's all that matters to them, they'll only come out if it fails completely.

The household link to the digital superhighway is a twisted bellwire, running across the street to a wooden pole. It's been there for years and years and was good for making calls to your nan. Civilised / World leading country my arse! Every time a see an Openreach van I say naughty words.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 05:14 AM   #24
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I'm on Virgin , since the Nynex days , have 30mb now really reliable service trouble is I expect everything everywhere to run at this speed now , might go for 50mb but it is not cheap to upgrade !
Will Manchester ever install city wide 100mb wifi like they have done in Paris ?
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Old January 10th, 2012, 08:19 PM   #25
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Have seen BT posters today advertising Infinity...looks like it could be happening,
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Old January 11th, 2012, 05:41 AM   #26
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Infinitely is just bts brand name for 40Mb/s fibre to the cabinet which by all means is actually very good provided that you can get it in your area and you can afford the massive price (don't have it myself but have used a friends connection and can't fault it for speed and latency (unlike virgin who deliver on speed at the expense of stupid latency (rarely got better than 250ms abd was as bad as 14000ms at one time which was odd as I still had full 20Mbs throughput))
My stepdad would have it if he could but unfortunately the exchange isn't enabled yet and won't be for the foreseeable future
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Old January 11th, 2012, 10:46 AM   #27
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Virgin, job done. I wouldn't trust BT to unwrap a Mars Bar.
Its BT who actually install much of virgins equipment
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Old January 11th, 2012, 11:11 AM   #28
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Virgin Media to double the speed of customer broadband

Virgin Media will double the speed of its broadband service for over four million of its customers, the company has said.

The upgrade, which begins in February, will also see the service's top speed increase from 100Mbps to 120Mbps.

The full roll-out is expected to be complete by mid-2013 at a cost to the company of £110m.

The Prime Minister, David Cameron, said the investment would be a "great boost" to the UK.

"I welcome this announcement from Virgin Media," Mr Cameron said in a statement.

"It will provide a great boost for the economy and change the way many households, consumers and businesses use the internet."

"Rolling out superfast broadband across the country is a critical part of our plan to upgrade the UK's infrastructure and build a new and smarter economy."

The government has set targets to improve the UK's broadband speeds considerably in the next three years.

Culture secretary Jeremy Hunt said: "Faster broadband speeds are great for customers and great for business, which is why our policy is to deliver superfast broadband to 90% of the country by 2015.

"Virgin Media's plans to double broadband speeds are really exciting and we applaud their ambition."

Last year BT announced it was investing £2.5bn to make fibre broadband available to two-thirds of UK premises by the end of 2015.

It promised significant improvements to most homes, while even faster broadband - around 300Mbps - will become available in certain "superfast" areas.

Free of charge

Virgin Media's upgrade will mean customers currently signed up for 10Mbps will be boosted to 20Mbps, while users on 20Mbps and 30Mbps packages will both be upped to 60Mbps.

Continue reading the main story

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It means their subscribers can get their television, movies and songs even more quickly than they could before, which is obviously good news”
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Torin Douglas

BBC media correpsondent
Those on 50Mbps will be increased to 100Mbps. Customers already on the top 100Mbps tariff will be raised to 120Mbps - the fastest speed Virgin Media is currently able to provide.

The company said bandwidth usage limits will also be doubled to accommodate the increased speed.

Most customers will not notice the upgrades taking place, nor will any have to pay for the changes to take place, a spokesman said.

However, some users with old modems and other similar hardware will receive new up-to-date equipment free of charge.

Fernando Elizalde, a principal analyst from Gartner who specialises in consumer broadband, said he believed Virgin Media's investment in expanding its broadband capability was sound.

"In the last year and a half, multiple connections in the home and online video have caught up so much that it justifies having this high amount of bandwidth," he told the BBC.

"But there is still the question about rural areas. Virgin still cover mostly urban areas - they don't reach as many people in rural areas as BT and other telecoms providers."

According to Ookla, a company which uses monitors broadband speed tests across the world, the UK ranks around 35th globally when ranked by broadband consumer download speed - an average of 11.65Mbps.

Virgin Media say that when the roll-out is complete, that average could rise to around 16.46Mbps.

Based on Ookla's research, which gathers data from millions of speed tests, the increase would rank UK the 19th-fastest globally when compared to today's standards.

'Competitive advantage'

The BBC's media correspondent Torin Douglas said the service improvement will come at an opportune time as more bandwidth-heavy services like Lovefilm and Netflix, which launched this week in the UK, begin to start attracting larger numbers.

"It means their subscribers can get their television, movies and songs even more quickly than they could before, which is obviously good news," he said.


BT is investing in upgrading the UK's ageing and slow copper infrastructure "But Virgin still hasn't managed to convince the majority of consumers that their system is better than broadband that comes down the telephone line."

"Until they do, they won't be able to establish a real competitive advantage."

Virgin Media's chief executive Neil Berkett said: "The internet has become an integral part of our social, work and family lives, so we think our customers are going to love this."

"As people are increasingly doing more online, and getting connected to the internet with lots of different devices, having a fast, reliable broadband service should not be a luxury."

"We want to make sure that consumers have access to the best value broadband service and that means a superfast connection."


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Old January 11th, 2012, 11:29 AM   #29
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Its BT who actually install much of virgins equipment
Virgin ADSL yes(thats BTs system), Virgin Cable No (BT have nothing to do with it).
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Old January 11th, 2012, 11:42 AM   #30
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Virgin Media to double the speed of customer broadband

Virgin Media will double the speed of its broadband service for over four million of its customers, the company has said.

The upgrade, which begins in February, will also see the service's top speed increase from 100Mbps to 120Mbps.

The full roll-out is expected to be complete by mid-2013 at a cost to the company of £110m.

The Prime Minister, David Cameron, said the investment would be a "great boost" to the UK.

"I welcome this announcement from Virgin Media," Mr Cameron said in a statement.

"It will provide a great boost for the economy and change the way many households, consumers and businesses use the internet."

"Rolling out superfast broadband across the country is a critical part of our plan to upgrade the UK's infrastructure and build a new and smarter economy."

The government has set targets to improve the UK's broadband speeds considerably in the next three years.

Culture secretary Jeremy Hunt said: "Faster broadband speeds are great for customers and great for business, which is why our policy is to deliver superfast broadband to 90% of the country by 2015.

"Virgin Media's plans to double broadband speeds are really exciting and we applaud their ambition."

Last year BT announced it was investing £2.5bn to make fibre broadband available to two-thirds of UK premises by the end of 2015.

It promised significant improvements to most homes, while even faster broadband - around 300Mbps - will become available in certain "superfast" areas.

Free of charge

Virgin Media's upgrade will mean customers currently signed up for 10Mbps will be boosted to 20Mbps, while users on 20Mbps and 30Mbps packages will both be upped to 60Mbps.

Continue reading the main story

Start Quote
It means their subscribers can get their television, movies and songs even more quickly than they could before, which is obviously good news”
End Quote
Torin Douglas

BBC media correpsondent
Those on 50Mbps will be increased to 100Mbps. Customers already on the top 100Mbps tariff will be raised to 120Mbps - the fastest speed Virgin Media is currently able to provide.

The company said bandwidth usage limits will also be doubled to accommodate the increased speed.

Most customers will not notice the upgrades taking place, nor will any have to pay for the changes to take place, a spokesman said.

However, some users with old modems and other similar hardware will receive new up-to-date equipment free of charge.

Fernando Elizalde, a principal analyst from Gartner who specialises in consumer broadband, said he believed Virgin Media's investment in expanding its broadband capability was sound.

"In the last year and a half, multiple connections in the home and online video have caught up so much that it justifies having this high amount of bandwidth," he told the BBC.

"But there is still the question about rural areas. Virgin still cover mostly urban areas - they don't reach as many people in rural areas as BT and other telecoms providers."

According to Ookla, a company which uses monitors broadband speed tests across the world, the UK ranks around 35th globally when ranked by broadband consumer download speed - an average of 11.65Mbps.

Virgin Media say that when the roll-out is complete, that average could rise to around 16.46Mbps.

Based on Ookla's research, which gathers data from millions of speed tests, the increase would rank UK the 19th-fastest globally when compared to today's standards.

'Competitive advantage'

The BBC's media correspondent Torin Douglas said the service improvement will come at an opportune time as more bandwidth-heavy services like Lovefilm and Netflix, which launched this week in the UK, begin to start attracting larger numbers.

"It means their subscribers can get their television, movies and songs even more quickly than they could before, which is obviously good news," he said.


BT is investing in upgrading the UK's ageing and slow copper infrastructure "But Virgin still hasn't managed to convince the majority of consumers that their system is better than broadband that comes down the telephone line."

"Until they do, they won't be able to establish a real competitive advantage."


Virgin Media's chief executive Neil Berkett said: "The internet has become an integral part of our social, work and family lives, so we think our customers are going to love this."

"As people are increasingly doing more online, and getting connected to the internet with lots of different devices, having a fast, reliable broadband service should not be a luxury."

"We want to make sure that consumers have access to the best value broadband service and that means a superfast connection."


bbc.co.uk
I don't know what planet this Torin is on. You put every Virgin customer on BT for week and you won't have to wait long for answer. I know someone who's on BT, the engineer came round to fix their internet then kindly forgot to tell them he'd changed way they get their internet. They got an £50 for using 50GB of data. One it wasn't working, two it took eight weeks to sort out, three he changed their tariff and four they got a surprise bill. Its 2012, who the **** charges for data on a home internet connection?
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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:05 PM   #31
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According to Ookla, a company which uses monitors broadband speed tests across the world, the UK ranks around 35th globally when ranked by broadband consumer download speed - an average of 11.65Mbps.
This is what I find appalling.
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Old January 11th, 2012, 12:26 PM   #32
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This is what I find appalling.
I've just done a test. 31.30Mbps which is three times as faster. Offering 60Mbps as pretty much your middle package is going to blow BT and anyone else right out of the water but only for those who want it.

The Guardian have an article which might go some way to explaining why its so low. First we have the BT customers but even on Virgin, 74% of its subscribers are only on 10Mbps. As BT upgrade people and when Virgins customers are upgraded that figure should rise dramatically but there isn't much difference on price. Its an extra £7.50 to go from 10Mbps to 30Mbps or in 2013 20Mbps to 60Mbps. Still all unlimited and 30% faster than BT fastest package. I'd guess BT will have to respond with something.

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Old January 13th, 2012, 10:15 AM   #33
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Have seen BT posters today advertising Infinity...looks like it could be happening,
Sounds hopeful. Remains to be seen if Ordsall will get it, I'd be very surprised if the street I live in gets to benefit from it. I get 6mb/s here (Demon ADSL) and apart from random line sync loses in the evenings and early mornings (which Demon seem not to be able to get to the bottom of, but which mysteriously disappear for a few weeks whenever I complain) the service is good but it would be nice to have a faster service though, especially for VoD use.

It amuses me that people complain about only getting 3mb/s. I spent 1 year (in 2004) living in a dockside apartment in a (then) recently built development on the edge of London's Docklands (the one area where you'd expect that broadband would be a given for everyone). At the time only 512kbs ADSL was available anywhere and yet even that was difficult to get there. It worked ok in the evening but dropped out for hours at a time in the evenings and weekends. BT confirmed the problem was poor quality of lines into the development plus the sheer length of them back to the exchange, but it was not planning to do anything about it. 7 years on nothing has changed, the exchange is already Infinity ready but will not be available to folks in that development. BT optimistically state that average ADSL speeds are 1mb/s. So really, things could be worse!
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Old January 13th, 2012, 10:27 AM   #34
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Having experienced 14.4Kb/s modems I fully appreciate things could be worse!

3Mb/s is still poor though these days in the middle of a major city.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 10:39 AM   #35
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Sounds hopeful. Remains to be seen if Ordsall will get it, I'd be very surprised if the street I live in gets to benefit from it. I get 6mb/s here (Demon ADSL) and apart from random line sync loses in the evenings and early mornings (which Demon seem not to be able to get to the bottom of, but which mysteriously disappear for a few weeks whenever I complain) the service is good but it would be nice to have a faster service though, especially for VoD use.

It amuses me that people complain about only getting 3mb/s. I spent 1 year (in 2004) living in a dockside apartment in a (then) recently built development on the edge of London's Docklands (the one area where you'd expect that broadband would be a given for everyone). At the time only 512kbs ADSL was available anywhere and yet even that was difficult to get there. It worked ok in the evening but dropped out for hours at a time in the evenings and weekends. BT confirmed the problem was poor quality of lines into the development plus the sheer length of them back to the exchange, but it was not planning to do anything about it. 7 years on nothing has changed, the exchange is already Infinity ready but will not be available to folks in that development. BT optimistically state that average ADSL speeds are 1mb/s. So really, things could be worse!
andrew don`t know if you have checked availability for inifinity etc but here`s a link that might throw more light on it...

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search
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andrew don`t know if you have checked availability for inifinity etc but here`s a link that might throw more light on it...

http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange_search
yup already saw that, but that doesn't mean every cabinate will actually get fibre though does it, just that the exchange is ready for it. I'm not holding my breath that Ordsall will get it at all!
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Old January 13th, 2012, 07:16 PM   #37
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yup already saw that, but that doesn't mean every cabinate will actually get fibre though does it, just that the exchange is ready for it. I'm not holding my breath that Ordsall will get it at all!
Can`t see why you shouldn`t
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The new BT infinity ad has to be the most awful, contrived advert I ahve seen in years


...http://www.productsandservices.bt.co...at6/chapter_2/
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Out of interest, why do people need such high speed downloads?

I work from home and the 8Mb/sec seems good enough for me.
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Out of interest, why do people need such high speed downloads?

I work from home and the 8Mb/sec seems good enough for me.
I quite often have torrents, netflix/lovefilm, xbox live, zune video, iplayer, etc. running over my internet. Any combination of two or more of those and I have to think about throttling things to avoid problems. Even when I'm not at home I'm usually accessing files from my nas. I could do with that high an upload speed too.
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