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Old April 18th, 2014, 05:21 PM   #161
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Putting heated areas is so much more effective than tunneling all the way. Anyways there are plenty of "poorer" cities in Europe and Asia that have better public transport than their "affluent" North American counterparts.
Exactly, as I said in my first comment, we have heated waiting areas and that is more than sufficient for such a climate rather than needlessly tunnelling. If you need to tunnel through densely populated areas, that's something different to expensive tunnelling due to climate.

Sapporo also had an innovative solution for its subway system - just cover the overhead viaduct. Still much cheaper than tunnelling!
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Old April 19th, 2014, 08:59 AM   #162
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I still don't get how this system is going to work.

Will the section from the South split at Churchill going north and northeast or will this be a completely different spur line?
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Old April 19th, 2014, 09:22 AM   #163
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It splits north of Churchill and changes over just south of South Campus.

The biggest delay to opening now is getting the new signalling system working.
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Old April 29th, 2014, 07:04 AM   #164
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Will the extention be fully segregated from the road traffic?
The extension will have some level crossings, so, technically, no.
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Old April 30th, 2014, 06:32 PM   #165
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The extension is not grade separated! Too bad. Anytime you mix rail and cars/pedestrians, there are going to be accidents. It is a sad fact!

P1290282 by Luke Ord, on Flickr


During much of the street running, there is a small curb separating the tracks from the roadway.

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As you can see by the extension cords to keep the cars warm, Edmonton gets COLD in winter!

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Old April 30th, 2014, 06:52 PM   #166
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Why wouldn't a northern city like Edmonton build its entire system underground? You're going to limit the number of people who'd consider using it in winter drastically by putting it above ground.
I was very impressed by the Edmonton LRT in winter. I am from Chicago where all the subway tunnels and platforms are around 2 Celsius (35 Fahrenheit) during winter. In Edmonton, I walked down to an underground subway platform and it was very pleasant down there, around 13c (55f). All the above ground stations have enclosed and heated areas to stand or sit. These made riding transit much more bearable during winter!
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Old May 28th, 2014, 05:04 PM   #167
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More funds for Edmonton LRT expansion
Wednesday, May 28, 2014



THE Canadian government announced on May 26 it will allocate $C 150m ($US 138m) towards the expansion of the light rail network in Edmonton through the New Building Canada Fund's Provincial-Territorial Infrastructure programme.

The funds will go towards the construction of the $C 1.8bn southeastern section of the Valley Line from Mill Woods Town Centre to 102 Street in the city centre. The 13.1km line will have 25 stations and is initially expected to carry around 31,500 passengers per day. Construction is expected to begin in 2016 with the aim of commissioning the line in late-2020.

The additional funding brings the total federal commitment to the project to $C 400m, including $C 250m from PPP Canada. The Alberta provincial government is providing $C 250m towards the project through its Green Trip public transport fund, $C 150m in additional funding and a $C 200m interest-free loan. The remaining $C 800m will come from municipal government sources.
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Old May 28th, 2014, 09:29 PM   #168
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The image shows a lower train than the current system. Is the new line (extension) going to be low-floor?
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Old May 29th, 2014, 07:44 AM   #169
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I'm sorry that we're just not as wealthy or as important as Edmonton in our little impoverished city that has above ground transport.
You're way out of line and I don't find that funny or constructive.
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You're way out of line and I don't find that funny or constructive.
Don't be so prissy. You constantly point out across SSC how wealthy and superior Canada is to every other country, so I agreed and said that we might be poorer by comparison in terms of GDP, but we do alright with our above ground transport. As for being out of line, that's another matter. I don't feel that a light hearted comment at your pomposity necessarily qualifies as a remark that is out of line. You want to complain, feel free to complain to an admin, though I would recommend one like Gothicform or Matthieu that doesn't know either of us particularly well.

Even if you took umbrage to that remark, the rest of my post is valid and refutes your claim about winter weather hitting our ridership, but if you want to only address that little section then that's fine. Oh, and as a side note, you have a problem with my posting you PM me, don't clog the threads in this section with off-topic remarks.

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Old May 30th, 2014, 02:47 PM   #171
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The extension is not grade separated! Too bad. Anytime you mix rail and cars/pedestrians, there are going to be accidents. It is a sad fact!

P1290282 by Luke Ord, on Flickr


During much of the street running, there is a small curb separating the tracks from the roadway.

P1290286 by Luke Ord, on Flickr
This looks like a normal situation in many, many European countries. The German Stadtbahn systems, though largely separated, have sections with crossings and with traffic interaction. They transport hundreds of millions of people every year without fault, so it is not inconceivable that it will be safe to run with limited traffic interaction. It's all about driver education, properly signalised and designed intersections and mechanisms to attempt to mitigate interactions. If these are done to a high standard then there is no reason it should be an issue. Just to the south is a perfect example - the Calgary C-train is a highly successful system (and I cited this earlier) where the track is largely at grade, possesses crossings, but still manages to be fast and capture ridership without the cost outlays of tunnelling the system. The Cost-benefit analysis heavily favours such expansions so I can understand why they've done it.

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As you can see by the extension cords to keep the cars warm, Edmonton gets COLD in winter!

P1290276 by Luke Ord, on Flickr
Yep, it's common across cold countries including my own (Stockholm suburbs have these at all of the shared car parking zones). I'm not sure if you are saying that the network should have been tunnelled due to the cold, but again, I've shown an example (and I can show more, though I am less familiar with the networks) where a cold country has a transport network whose patronage is not negatively influenced by its weather. In fact, the inverse is true where patronage increases in the winter period.
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Preparatory work on new Valley Line LRT to Mill Woods starts Monday
MARCH 20, 2015

EDMONTON - Preparations start Monday for Edmonton’s new Valley Line LRT to Mill Woods, as city contractors operate hydro-vac trucks along the line’s corridor to locate buried utilities.

Drilling crews will be at work along the future Valley Line right-of-way in preparation to relocate the utilities for about three weeks, the city said in a news release Friday.

The utilities must be moved before construction begins in 2016, the city said.

The work will “produce some noise,” but crews will only be at each location for a few hours

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Long-derailed LRT expansion may or may not open in May 2015

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Old March 28th, 2015, 08:38 PM   #174
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Yeah first, they wanted to open it in summer of 2014. Then in december. Then some time in 2015...
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I've seen the stations, they're practically abandoned, no construction crew anymore, well-lit and operable, but unused. Test trains drove here and there every once in a while, but the extension won't be open until May or June of this year (hopefully).
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Right now they are doing the hand-over of the signalling system documentation and Thales is dragging their arse like a dog with diarrhea. Ugh. Six weeks to hand this over? Are you kidding me?
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Edmonton Ski Club plans to ride the Valley Line LRT rails
May 21, 2015



The future construction of the Valley Line LRT will require changes to bridges and other features, and those have elicited outrage among some — but not from the 100-year-old Edmonton Ski Club.

Instead, the club, located close to a future LRT stop in the Cloverdale neighbourhood, sees potential in proximity.

The new stop will make the facility the first ski hill in North America to be accessible via light rail, said Ken Saunders, the club’s president. “There’s definite opportunity. From your business commuter stopping at the club on the way in to do a workout or, imagine, the school groups or underprivileged able to access the facility”

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We have end of the May. Any news about line 2 opening? Nothing yet?
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The image shows a lower train than the current system. Is the new line (extension) going to be low-floor?
The new Valley Line will use low-floor LRVs.
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