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Old May 18th, 2012, 04:08 AM   #21
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Old May 18th, 2012, 05:10 PM   #22
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When the airport was first being built in 1928, Phoenix was not nearly as large as it is today (the population of Phoenix back then was only 29,000), so the area surrounding the airport was not heavily developed until much later.

Anyways if you look at a satelite photo of the airport you can see the surrounding area being mostly occupied with light industrial uses (such as warehouses) rather than residential neighborhoods so noise polution is not that much of an issue compared with say either Chicago Midway, Washington-Reagan, Boston's Airport, San Diego's Airport, or Denver's former Stapleton Airport which were located much closer to residential neighborhoods and cause more noise polution problems than PHX.
I guess thats true. But when planes line up to land at any large airport they line up for several miles, at around 3000feet, or at least thats what they do at UK airport. Planes landing at Heathrow line up as far east as Greenwich, and for Manchester they pretty much fly across the entire southern suburbs. Don't the runways roughly pointing at down town cause any issues with flight paths?
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Old May 19th, 2012, 09:25 AM   #23
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I guess thats true. But when planes line up to land at any large airport they line up for several miles, at around 3000feet, or at least thats what they do at UK airport. Planes landing at Heathrow line up as far east as Greenwich, and for Manchester they pretty much fly across the entire southern suburbs. Don't the runways roughly pointing at down town cause any issues with flight paths?
Well the airport's proximity to downtown has caused a height limit to be implemented in Downtown Phoenix by the FAA, so that no new skyscrapers obstruct the flight path of incoming planes.

However San Diego's airport which is in a similar situation as PHX has not hampered any new development downtown, even though it also has a building height restriction so it's hard to say overall.
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Old May 19th, 2012, 11:43 PM   #24
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There's no reason to believe that there ever would have been skyscrapers in Phoenix, even without the airport. It's not that kind of city.
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Old June 30th, 2012, 07:36 AM   #25
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PHX Sky Train Stage 1 at Sky Harbor is a moving example of Hensel Phelps’ grand presence and reputation in Arizona

Ask Allan Bliesmer what’s most special about the $644M PHX Sky Train project, and his answer isn’t that surprising. “The team effort toward a common goal,” responds Bliesmer, operations manager for Hensel Phelps Construction Co., general contractor for the Stage 1 fixed facilities of the massive project at Sky Harbor International Airport. “The city, designer, and Hensel Phelps addressed each challenge with a solutions-orientated approach.

“The people involved in the project refrained from developing or maintaining personal agendas, and worked together, utilizing each member’s expertise, to develop the best design and construction solutions for the project.”

Once Hensel Phelps was selected as construction manager for the first phase of the train’s stations and elevated guide-way tracks, preliminary work began and lasted 20 months — from June 2008 to February 2010. (Bombardier Transportation was chosen as the system provider).

Stage 1 — a 1.7-mile stretch — will transport airport visitors and employees between METRO light rail, east economy parking and Terminal 4, which serves 80% of Sky Harbor’s passengers. Stage 1 is scheduled for completion in 2Q 2012.

What was it about the company that helped Hensel Phelps land such a historic project? Prior to the start of the PHX Sky Train project, Bliesmer says, Hensel Phelps had just completed the automated train project at the Dallas-Ft. Worth International Airport. The Dallas-Ft. Worth system was installed throughout the entire airport and spanned a total of 5 miles in length with 8 stations.

In addition, Hensel Phelps has completed billions of dollars of aviation work around the country including automated train systems, terminals, hangars, administration facilities, rental car facilities, air traffic control towers and parking structures at a number of airports.

But one feature that makes PHX Sky Train different from other projects is a 350- foot bridge that carries the train above an active taxiway that is large enough for a 747 to pass through. An article in a national construction magazine boasted that the project “features many innovative design elements,” including the bridge.

“The Taxiway R crossing is a unique item not generally featured at other airports around the world,” Bliesmer says. “In order to maintain full use of the taxiway, the design had to accommodate a ‘bridge’ that would not encumber the use of the largest aircraft planned at the airport.

“To satisfy this, a 350-foot cast in-place concrete ‘bridge,’ at an elevation of 80 feet above grade, was incorporated to provide the necessary clearance. Another innovative approach was the use of precast tub girders in lieu of cast in-place concrete structural elements for a majority of the guideway structure,” Bliesmer adds. “The use of precast allowed the construction team to minimize the real estate needed on the ground to install shoring required for a traditional cast in-place concrete approach, resulting in minimization of issues associated with public access, airport operations and safety.”

The automated train was a necessity. Sky Harbor serves 42M passengers a year, and the number is projected to rise to 40M to 50M in 2013. The goal is to remove about 20,000 cars and trucks — up to 20% of the traffic circling Sky Harbor — from the airport area. The project is also a boon to the local economy. Stage 1 has created an estimated 6,000 jobs.

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Old July 1st, 2012, 10:43 PM   #26
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Have they taken the A380 / B747 into account with the Sky Train...?
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Have they taken the A380 / B747 into account with the Sky Train...?
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The A380 may be another story but if it is, arrangements will be made to maneuver those few flights around that part of the airport (Terminal 4).
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Old October 11th, 2013, 09:14 PM   #29
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PHX is awful

Cramped, narrow piers with low ceilings, dismal shopping, and you have to walk miles to connect. Add to that probably the most depressing curbside arrivals and departures of any airport in the world (like you've arrived at a prison) and you have Phoenix Sky Harbour. Yuk.
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You know the SkyTrain bridge over Taxiway R is tall enough for a Boeing 747 to pass under it, but not an Airbus A380.
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Old October 13th, 2013, 12:09 AM   #31
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Is this true? The driver of the shuttle-Bus told me that but I've thought its just rumours....

Unfair but a smart move
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Old October 13th, 2013, 02:49 AM   #32
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You know the SkyTrain bridge over Taxiway R is tall enough for a Boeing 747 to pass under it, but not an Airbus A380.
I asked the same question July 2nd, 2012 & was told B744 yes but no clarity on the A380
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Okay, if the portion of the SkyTrain route over Taxiway R has a clearance below of 100 ft (30 m), then the height of a Boeing 747 is about 64 ft (19 m) and the height of an Airbus A380 is about 80 ft (24 m).
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Old October 13th, 2013, 08:49 AM   #34
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Wonderful project in Arizona.
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Also, I forgot to mention that there is a project to redevelop this airport's Terminal 3 which will involve closing and removing Terminal 2, expanding security checkpoints, reconfiguring passenger flow, and creating a completely new southern concourse w/ 15 gates. The project will take place from 2014 to 2019.
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Old November 25th, 2013, 03:15 AM   #36
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Old November 25th, 2013, 05:04 PM   #37
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Cramped, narrow piers with low ceilings, dismal shopping, and you have to walk miles to connect. Add to that probably the most depressing curbside arrivals and departures of any airport in the world (like you've arrived at a prison) and you have Phoenix Sky Harbour. Yuk.
The best thing about Sky Harbor is that its in the middle of town and very easy to get to. It's well connected with expressways and for business travelers there's a train that (sort of) goes downtown. The parking is reasonably good too. There's a lot of Midwestern and Eastern people in Phoenix and the airport is the best connected in the Western U.S. to the East, IMO.

But you're right on the inside the airport is outdated. The concessions are mostly crap Mexican or pizza. If you do buy food, you end up eating it on top of a garbage can because there's no physical space.
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But you're right on the inside the airport is outdated. The concessions are mostly crap Mexican or pizza. If you do buy food, you end up eating it on top of a garbage can because there's no physical space.
Just like most of America's airports. They have outdated terminals and their food selections suck. I bet we could stimulate the US economy my renovating and replacing old terminals and then redoing the airport experience.
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Just like most of America's airports. They have outdated terminals and their food selections suck. I bet we could stimulate the US economy my renovating and replacing old terminals and then redoing the airport experience.
Well you're distinctly mistaken on that point. DTW has an enormous facility and no lack of physical space on the inside and excellent concessions.

MSP has very good concessions.

Midway has good concessions and enough physical space for an urban airport.

For that matter, I used to fly through Pittsburgh quite a lot and thought that airport had fairly decent space on the inside and good concessions.
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