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Old January 12th, 2012, 11:28 PM   #41
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If I said such a stupid things as He did (mentioned above), I immediately stop to write any more on this forum. That colud be understand as assault and I think that I do not deserve that.
well, nhf but you sound like him in some details. let's observe the problem of ghost-riders: you have made a spectacle with red-white markers in that story. do you really think that they are not conscious that they are driving in wrong direction? i'd say 1 of 1000, even if that. they are indeed conscious what are they doing, but they are: a) idiots who don't know how the road is dangerous b) suicidal persons.
here is my list of priorities in the cases of ghost-riders: 1. and the most important to notify ghost rider in time. modern motorways are equiped with supervising systems, so it shouldn't be the problem. problem is in supervising people who often don't do their job good enough (i spoke to one of them recently and got that feeling) 2. to stop all the traffic on the motorway, without exceptions. also, education of drivers (for instance via media) is welcome because i have a feeling that too many drivers don't respect warnings obn dynamic signalization. 3. to catch an idiot and throw him to jail.
also, there can be 0. to prevent ghost-riders in their willings. beside conventional signs whoch often won't help, i've heard of automatic spikes on motorway ramps which blow tyres to vehicles in wrong direction. the only possible solution that works imo.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #42
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you have made a spectacle with red-white markers in that story.
It is mentioned, by the way, as a measure in USA, not in EU. I did not express own opinion in that way. I connected red LED markers with another dangerous situations, different than WWD, in which you could think for red stoplights are red markers. What does that mean? Is it necessary to put down all the explanation? In other words, How could you explain the situation in which USA citizen meet flashing red LED markers on both sides in Croatian tunnels? Is there any American here to explain x-type what would be heppened, according to their WWD procedures?
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Old January 13th, 2012, 03:01 PM   #43
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Absolute nonsense. Road signage is for people not known to the local situation. These people need to know the directions before the first decision-point. Withholding information for the other direction is the wrong solution for the wrong problem.
Not, it is not nonsense.

Many traffic safety manuals and research papers list the diamond type junction as much more prone to wrong way driving than parclos, for example. At a diamond junction, there are four turning possibilities on the secondary road, and 50% of those will lead to a disaster. Therefore proactive measures discouraging people from making mistakes are crucial.

A safe arrangement is usually a sum of a number of small proactive measures: logical signace, channelisation making the wrong manoeuvres difficult, using lights and reflective materials, careful geometry design, etc.

With the exception of compressed ones, at the diamond junctions there are usually two separate intersections on the secondary road, with a few hundred meters in between. These can usually be treated as two intersections in the signage, too.

Another option is the Danish way to show the information about wrong ways in the advance signs: http://maps.google.fi/?ll=56.667595,...120.7,,1,-0.58
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Old January 13th, 2012, 05:50 PM   #44
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In other words, How could you explain the situation in which USA citizen meet flashing red LED markers on both sides in Croatian tunnels? Is there any American here to explain x-type what would be heppened, according to their WWD procedures?
flashing? they don't flash in HR tunnels afaik. they flash in A and SLO tunnels, and only at the outer side of the curve.
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Another option is the Danish way to show the information about wrong ways in the advance signs: http://maps.google.fi/?ll=56.667595,...120.7,,1,-0.58
That's much better than simply not showing all directions in advance. But in the concrete Danish example, I'd make the sign bigger and not sign destinations so close to the wrong-way signs.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 10:54 PM   #46
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Some of many ideas for the diamond interchange.
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Old January 13th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #47
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Stoping wrong way driver without consequences:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT0Rb...layer_embedded
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In the UK, there are simple 'no entry' signs at the exits of motorways, except in Northern Ireland which also has red flashing lights below them.

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Old January 14th, 2012, 12:40 AM   #49
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In the UK, there are simple 'no entry' signs at the exits of motorways, except in Northern Ireland which also has red flashing lights below them.

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It is really a great advantage to have 3D projection for presentation own ideas. Unfortunately we do not have yet that.
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Old January 14th, 2012, 02:14 AM   #50
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Absolute nonsense. Road signage is for people not known to the local situation. These people need to know the directions before the first decision-point. Withholding information for the other direction is the wrong solution for the wrong problem.
This is how it's typically done in California...


While it's similar to MattiG's diagram, In my diagram, the first sign shows where to go for both directions of I-5 (turn right to go north, straight to go south).
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Old January 14th, 2012, 02:29 AM   #51
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I suppose, vertical signals are together with horizontal. You use similar signalization as USA /California. In EU priority is symbol instead of words.
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That's an old diagram that is not currently in use. Current California standard signage for this type of assembly is an upper sign that contains the standard red circle with a horizontal white bar symbol with "DO NOT" above the white bar and "ENTER" below it. The lower sign is the same "WRONG WAY" sign in your diagram. On both signs, the text is white on red.

What I find fascinating is how much European countries are investing to deter wrong way drivers (flashing lights, sensors, alerts to oncoming motorists, etc). Is wrong way driving that common of a problem in Europe? I don't think it's too much of a problem here in the US. Yes it happens from time to time but I don't think it's a common problem.
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What I find fascinating is how much European countries are investing to deter wrong way drivers (flashing lights, sensors, alerts to oncoming motorists, etc). Is wrong way driving that common of a problem in Europe? I don't think it's too much of a problem here in the US. Yes it happens from time to time but I don't think it's a common problem.
Wrong way drive participates with less than 1% in all traffic accidents in EU. I think that we have similar proportion as USA but we give this problem much more attention.Wrong-way drive is very hazardous action because it often leads to fatal head-on accidents. On the other hand, people are very much attracted by WWD. WWD could be a problem in new EU members state as they did not have MW before.

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That's an old diagram that is not currently in use. Current California standard signage for this type of assembly is an upper sign that contains the standard red circle with a horizontal white bar symbol with "DO NOT" above the white bar and "ENTER" below it. The lower sign is the same "WRONG WAY" sign in your diagram. On both signs, the text is white on red.

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Radi, is that you?!?



This is quite recently shot at the A6 Struma motorway, Studena intersection (Shell&McDonalds) - the VW is driving in direction Pernik/Sofia in the lanes in direction Dupnitsa/Greece... Actually they say the driver is a woman.
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Old February 3rd, 2012, 02:20 AM   #55
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This is quite recently shot at the A6 Struma motorway, Studena intersection (Shell&McDonalds) - the VW is driving in direction Pernik/Sofia in the lanes in direction Dupnitsa/Greece... Actually they say the driver is a woman.
According to the right blinking light swiched on, she knew that she drive wrong direction. How did it end?

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They say she reached next intersection after driving about 10 km in the opposite direction, got out of the motorway on the roundabout there and turned into the right direction on other road. Nobody did nothing, the operator of 112 that was called by the guys that shot the video could not understand what was happening, as they found difficulties to explain directions and lanes So there wasn't police or something to intercept her. Video was shot at about 100 km/h they say.
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A58 Tilburg - Eindhoven on the 26th november 1997. The guy started racing away from the police



Close to where I live, als on the A58. Excellent behaviour by the truck driver

(Stabilized version, the original was tilted sideways)
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In Ireland, we generally have these type of signs (similar to the U.S ones); they read 'Danger Wrong Way Turn Back':



Our 'No Entry' sign is different but will soon be changed (excluding the 'Danger Wrong Way Turn Back' sign):


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Close to where I live, als on the A58. Excellent behaviour by the truck driver

(Stabilized version, the original was tilted sideways)
That was suicidal!
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A58 Tilburg - Eindhoven on the 26th november 1997. The guy started racing away from the police

Close to where I live, als on the A58. Excellent behaviour by the truck driver
(Stabilized version, the original was tilted sideways)

Unbelievable the 1st video. What was the reason for the racing?
What are sanctions for this offence in NL?
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