Which Next Developed Country Will DOWN GRADE to Deloveping Country

[isakres]

Ive heard gulf stated have been diversified their economies trying to avoid been so much oil dependant in the future.

[Skyprince]

for such a huge economy and high population, I don't know how Spain become developed ? the first question that comes to mind is "What does Spain produce? "

I can see how Switzerland with less than 10 mil pop could become rich- their technology and products are everywheere to be found in Asia. But I;ve never seen any product from Spain.

The same applies to Greece & Portugal but they have far smaller population

[Jonesy55]

Airbus planes are partially made in Spain, and they have plenty of car factories, steel plants, one of the worlds biggest clothing retailers Inditex, one of Europe's biggest banks Santander, Fagor a major European appliance manufacturer etc.

They also have a huge tourism sector and sell lots of agricultural produce to other European countries.

[isakres]

+1

[Solopop]

I don't know who said it, but some said Australia mistreats the aborigines? What that is crazy...

[Pradable]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

for such a huge economy and high population, I don't know how Spain become developed ? the first question that comes to mind is "What does Spain produce? "

A lot big companies set in LATAM are from Spain, Santander, Zara, Telefonica, BBVA and i could name a ton... but Spanish are the owner of a lot Energy companies here southamerica, specially electricity like Endesa, which it's a company that costs a LOT.

[gabrielbabb]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

for such a huge economy and high population, I don't know how Spain become developed ? the first question that comes to mind is "What does Spain produce? "

I can see how Switzerland with less than 10 mil pop could become rich- their technology and products are everywheere to be found in Asia. But I;ve never seen any product from Spain.

The same applies to Greece & Portugal but they have far smaller population

Most of the things coming from Spain are stablished in Latin America, for example cellphone companies, clothes, banks, cars factories, wine, sausages. They also produce about 20% of eolic energy in the world

[isakres]

Indeed Spain has a lot of presence in Latinamerica in many ways, from Banks like Santander, BBV, hotel chains like Riu, Iberostar, Energy companies like Gas Natural, Repsol, clothing companies like Inditex and a long etcetera.

[seattle92]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

for such a huge economy and high population, I don't know how Spain become developed ? the first question that comes to mind is "What does Spain produce? "

I can see how Switzerland with less than 10 mil pop could become rich- their technology and products are everywheere to be found in Asia. But I;ve never seen any product from Spain.

The same applies to Greece & Portugal but they have far smaller population

[Atomicus]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

for such a huge economy and high population, I don't know how Spain become developed ? the first question that comes to mind is "What does Spain produce? "

I can see how Switzerland with less than 10 mil pop could become rich- their technology and products are everywheere to be found in Asia. But I;ve never seen any product from Spain.

The same applies to Greece & Portugal but they have far smaller population

You don't need to be a export company to become developed...

But anyway, Spain produces a lot, and export too. Not like Germany or China obviously, but quite a lot. Actually, our exports increased a 18% in 2011. And Spain is supposedly terrible at competitiveness and all of that...

Besides what people already named (Airbus parts, banking, textile companies) we export stuff like CARS (8th world productor), even if they are not Spanish brands: Seat, Nissan, Mercedes, Citrôen, Renault, Ford...


You may have never heard of them but there are some very strong SPANISH companies that have presence in a lot of countries:

Adolfo Dominguez (perfums).
ACS: one of the largest construction companies in the world.
FCC: same than ACS.
Puleva: milk and all of that.
Puleva Biotech: biotechnology and all of that.
Nutrexpa: company which owns food companies like ColaCao (高乐高 in China), La Piara, Granja Sanfrancisco...
Sener Aeronáutica (which make aeronautic stuff).
Indra (all kind of army stuff, communications, etc...)

ETC (I don't know all of them lol).


And my favorites ones. We produce these ones in Spain:

ENDESA: And this company has presence in a lot of parts of the world. We export these ones to the USA, LatinAmerica, other parts of Europe, China...



CAF: presence in places like Europe, Latin America, USA, China (HongKong, Shezhen)...




TALGO: again, presence in places like Europe, Russia, Turkey, Latin America, Arabia Saudi (soon)...



ROCA: You'll meet very few people in the UK who doesn't know this brand



Deoleo, which owns stuff like Carbonell which has persence:

Which produces:


This company is the most important one for me as I would never be able to live abroad without being able to buy Olive Oil from Spain. NOWHERE!



Fagor:




And I'm sure I'm missing a lot of stuff. Many things not related with brands and all of that.

[Messi]

for such a huge economy and high population, I don't know how Spain become developed ? the first question that comes to mind is "What does Spain produce? "

I can see how Switzerland with less than 10 mil pop could become rich- their technology and products are everywheere to be found in Asia. But I;ve never seen any product from Spain.

The same applies to Greece & Portugal but they have far smaller population

This is more your ignorance and not the facts.

In Turkey I know:

The hiighspeed train sets being used currently are spanish made CAF's.
@Atamicus: It's unfortunately not the Talgo. :/


The Suburban trains in Izmir are also Spanish made:



And Antalya LRT vehicles are also Spanish made:


I forgot the new subway trains of Istanbul. They are also made in Spain.

[isakres]

Easy dudes, I dont think Skyprince was bashing on Spain, I think he just doesnt get as much news of Spain in Malaysia as we do.

[Suburbanist]

Originally Posted by Ulpia-Serdica

I haven't met that many Chileans, but when I did an exchange in Barcelona a couple of years ago, there were a group of Chilean students from Santiago and most of them would have not be distinguished in their way of thinking or acting as compared to most of the other European people at my university. They seemed to be really easily integrated in the Barcelona way of life, even more so than some Americans, that could easily be spotted from miles away.

Yes, Erasmus stereotypes are really telling about the economic structures of a country.

In any case, just because you claimed the off-topic: the reason many of American exchange students in European universities can be "spotted from a mile away" is due to the sudden lack of regulation they find themselves in, like free drinking even if they are under 21 etc. The majority of them, however, will just blend in like everyone else. At most, they will speak, for obvious reasons, much better English, instead of that strange collection of weird-accent English most Erasmus (bachelor) students speak. At least this is my experience as a TA here.

[Atomicus]

Originally Posted by isakres

Easy dudes, I dont think Skyprince was bashing on Spain, I think he just doesnt get as much news of Spain in Malaysia as we do.

We were just informing him then

[Ulpia-Serdica]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

Yes, Erasmus stereotypes are really telling about the economic structures of a country.

In any case, just because you claimed the off-topic: the reason many of American exchange students in European universities can be "spotted from a mile away" is due to the sudden lack of regulation they find themselves in, like free drinking even if they are under 21 etc. The majority of them, however, will just blend in like everyone else. At most, they will speak, for obvious reasons, much better English, instead of that strange collection of weird-accent English most Erasmus (bachelor) students speak. At least this is my experience as a TA here.

Obviously don't take my experience has a god-given and nor should you consider it as the norm for all Chileans. I clearly said that I do not know many Chileans.

[isakres]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

Yes, Erasmus stereotypes are really telling about the economic structures of a country.

In any case, just because you claimed the off-topic: the reason many of American exchange students in European universities can be "spotted from a mile away" is due to the sudden lack of regulation they find themselves in, like free drinking even if they are under 21 etc. The majority of them, however, will just blend in like everyone else. At most, they will speak, for obvious reasons, much better English, instead of that strange collection of weird-accent English most Erasmus (bachelor) students speak. At least this is my experience as a TA here.

Americans are easily spotted everywhere and not just becase the sudden lack of regulation they find themselves, nor because they have not weird accent.

[Atomicus]

@Skyprince, never saw this either there in Indonesia? There is in the "neighbouring" China.

[Skyprince]

@Atomicus, isakres & mesch- Thanks for explanation. Interesting to know that

Though I can simply compare that to Thailand - while Thailand doesn't produce high-speed trains they have vibrant automobile industry, a vibrant tourism industry ( best in Southeast Asia ), a great airline ( THAI Airways ) flying to many destinations ( bigger network than IBERIA ? ) , Thai products from food to cosmetics to detergent to medicine can be found ALL OVER Asia, and its a popular medical tourism destination for many.

Yet Thailand's GDp per-capita is very low compared to Spain.

[Skyprince]

Originally Posted by Pradable

A lot big companies set in LATAM are from Spain, Santander, Zara, Telefonica, BBVA and i could name a ton... but Spanish are the owner of a lot Energy companies here southamerica, specially electricity like Endesa, which it's a company that costs a LOT.

Originally Posted by gabrielbabb

Most of the things coming from Spain are stablished in Latin America, for example cellphone companies, clothes, banks, cars factories, wine, sausages. They also produce about 20% of eolic energy in the world

Aha I see... that explains alot. Spain's presence in this part of the world ( Southeast & East Asia ) is quite minimal.

Also, being surrounded by rich neighbours ( unlike Thailand ) also helps.

[Atomicus]

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Originally Posted by Skyprince

@Atomicus, isakres & mesch- Thanks for explanation. Interesting to know that

Though I can simply compare that to Thailand - while Thailand doesn't produce high-speed trains they have vibrant automobile industry, a vibrant tourism industry ( best in Southeast Asia ), a great airline ( THAI Airways ) flying to many destinations ( bigger network than IBERIA ? ) , Thai products from food to cosmetics to detergent to medicine can be found ALL OVER Asia, and its a popular medical tourism destination for many.

Yet Thailand's GDp per-capita is very low compared to Spain.

I know you just asked but no, Iberia does have a bigger network than Thai Airways. Actually Iberia is ranked as 20th as the airlines with more destinations, Thai Airways doesn't seem to come close.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World%27s_largest_airlines

Iberia has 104 planes / 170 planes (with subsidiaries, not including British Airways which is a partner) while Thai Airways have 92. Iberia 120 destinations while Thai Airways 71.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thai_Airways_International
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iberia_%28airline%29

Anyway I'm not sure what is the point you try to make with the comparison. Exports and production alone don't make a country to be developed or developing. Spain is 16th as world exported ahead of countries that are more developed, and below some developing nations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ies_by_exports

=>Exports worth of $253,000,000,000 which is even slightly higher than what much bigger and populated countries like India, Brazil... export. And way ahead of Thailand btw.

(2010 figures, 2011 is almost +18% for Spain)

Exports grow steadily

With growth of 17.4% to 185.799 million euros in sales, the export sector has recovered to pre-crisis levels, according to data released by the Ministry of Industry. With a contribution of 1.1% to Gross Domestic Product (GDP), has brought stability to the Spanish economy. The improvement in exports including emerging countries, has allowed the trade deficit is not increased because of rising global energy prices. The year 2011, Spain is among the countries with overall export growth, according to OECD forecasts. The international institution puts Spain in fifth place in the ranking, with estimated exports of goods and services 9.9%. Spain is placed after Germany and Slovakia, which will increase its sales abroad by 10.4%. [56] [57] [58]

Spain's trade deficit shrank in October 2011, 1.9% to 3.632 million euros, announced the Ministry of Economy. The Spanish exports grew 11.5% compared to October 2010, to reach 19.394 million euros, the statement said. The increases were highest in exports of capital goods, which rose 14.8% over the first ten months of 2010 and the automotive sector, up 14.3% in a year. Spain recorded a trade surplus in trade with the European Union (EU), of 3,043 million euros in the first ten months of the year. While domestic consumption is stopped, its exports continue to grow, however, the global slowdown

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Spain

Originally Posted by Skyprince

Aha I see... that explains alot. Spain's presence in this part of the world ( Southeast & East Asia ) is quite minimal.

Also, being surrounded by rich neighbours ( unlike Thailand ) also helps.

Yes, but being sourrounded by rich neighbours means also more competition. Spain worked hard to reach the developed status