What developing countries closer to achieving developed country status?

[The Cake On BBQ]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

Being informal, if u ask me, a developed country shud be developed not only materially, but also socially/spiritually.

I've been to some East Asian countries including China and while I was impressed with discipline, hard work, high standard & speedy development there , many of them are still not open to foreigners , there's quite a big gap between us ( foreigners ) and locals . I was in China and when I told that Im from Malaysia ( even pronounced it in Chinese way ) many of them don't know where Malaysia is Quite hard to find anyone who can speak English well and highly interested to speak to foreigners.
A huge drawback and quite depressing , sorry to say .

I like a country not only with high material life & nicely diversified economy, but also "global-minded" very open to different cultures , cosmopolitan ( I deeply dislike largely mono-race society ) with vibrant highly consumerist life style

To me, only the UAE, Qatar, Canada, Singapore, Switzerland & Australia fulfill my own term of "developed countries" so far

Yeah, tell that to Indian slave-like workers in Dubai

[-Corey-]

+ 1, some people think that having the world's tallest towers, will make a country developed....

[Yuree]

Originally Posted by -Corey-

+ 1, some people think that having the world's tallest towers, will make a country developed....

Totally Agree

[Rekarte]

Originally Posted by -Corey-

+ 1, some people think that having the world's tallest towers, will make a country developed....

some people think that a country don't have a gay pride,the country is not developed...

[Gorky]

Because...it s true ...

[Skyprince]

Originally Posted by The Cake On BBQ

Yeah, tell that to Indian slave-like workers in Dubai

Originally Posted by -Corey-

+ 1, some people think that having the world's tallest towers, will make a country developed....

1) Arab Gulf countries are surrounded by mass poverty of many neighboring countries with very huge population. This creates too huge supply , thus pulling down the salary without many objection from workers.
Put Sweden or Denmark into that location and lets see what happens

2) the "slave labors" from South Asia came by their own will . Nobody forced them to come.

3) Migration from India, Srilanka and Bangladesh to the Gulf have been in place for many decades, so its impossible the potential migrants not to realize what wud possibly happen to them in Gulf

4) I loved almost everything I saw in Arab Gulf countries- Their cities are hyper-modern extremely clean , full of trendy malls restaurants cafes etc you don't find such density and "hyper-consumerist" obsessed- lifestyle anywhere I went to in Europe . Crime rate is extremely low, there are people from sooo many different nationalities , the atmosphere is incredible

I like it so much !

5) Gulf Arabs, despite still climbing up the innovation ladder, are generally very business-minded and "global-thinkers" . They are extremely hospitable and welcome foreigners with open arms .

6) Despite many low-income workers, there are soo many elite/upper-class Indians, Bangladeshis, Srilankans, Nepalis living in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Qatar buying apartments/houses built by those "slave labours" coming from their very own countries and hiring servants from Asia.

7) The priority among Westerners are generally different from most of Asians and Arabs. To many Westerners, "democracy" " freedom " "rights" etc seem to be of utmost importance , but if u ask any Asians like me or Arabs I believe those things are not really high priority in life .
Different way in looking things

[Erran]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

7) The priority among Westerners are generally different from most of Asians and Arabs. To many Westerners, "democracy" " freedom " "rights" etc seem to be of utmost importance , but if u ask any Asians like me or Arabs I believe those things are not really high priority in life .
Different way in looking things

Somehow agree with this point.
Western people and media had pushed it way way too far. People in different region surely have their own different norms. Suddenly pushing new ideology to the existing system will only cause "shock" that will bring no good result.

Someone here says Spore, UAE, Qatar aren't yet developed since he says, based on his own opinion, that these countries have no women's rights. They put in the first place "liberal freedom to do anything" as "right", and he doesn't even realize that "right" can be identified as something different in other country, other region.

Developed society is not the same as lawless society, my sweet dear.

[Motul]

Originally Posted by Rekarte

some people think that a country don't have a gay pride,the country is not developed...

A country with little or no civil rights to minorities cannot be considered developed, no.

IMO, Canada is the most developed country out there

[midrise]

Totally agree about gay pride. A true progressive/devlevoping country is more open to all, with freedoms and equality....

[isakres]

Originally Posted by Skyprince

1) Arab Gulf countries are surrounded by mass poverty of many neighboring countries with very huge population. This creates too huge supply , thus pulling down the salary without many objection from workers.
Put Sweden or Denmark into that location and lets see what happens

2) the "slave labors" from South Asia came by their own will . Nobody forced them to come.

3) Migration from India, Srilanka and Bangladesh to the Gulf have been in place for many decades, so its impossible the potential migrants not to realize what wud possibly happen to them in Gulf

4) I loved almost everything I saw in Arab Gulf countries- Their cities are hyper-modern extremely clean , full of trendy malls restaurants cafes etc you don't find such density and "hyper-consumerist" obsessed- lifestyle anywhere I went to in Europe . Crime rate is extremely low, there are people from sooo many different nationalities , the atmosphere is incredible

I like it so much !

5) Gulf Arabs, despite still climbing up the innovation ladder, are generally very business-minded and "global-thinkers" . They are extremely hospitable and welcome foreigners with open arms .

6) Despite many low-income workers, there are soo many elite/upper-class Indians, Bangladeshis, Srilankans, Nepalis living in Dubai, Abu Dhabi and Qatar buying apartments/houses built by those "slave labours" coming from their very own countries and hiring servants from Asia.

7) The priority among Westerners are generally different from most of Asians and Arabs. To many Westerners, "democracy" " freedom " "rights" etc seem to be of utmost importance , but if u ask any Asians like me or Arabs I believe those things are not really high priority in life .
Different way in looking things

I aslo believe that different "types" of development can be achieved by nations that are different from each other. Some of the reasons that many Westenerns doesnt think some Arab countries are already or could be developed are rooted on cliches about religious issues and traditions. I think we need to take that out from the equation and try to assess the overall wealthness and social indicators. Poor lower skilled workforce can be found in Dubai but also in the US.

[derechaconservadora]

chile will be developed in few years- and thats a fact.

[Motul]

Ok, maipo..

[derechaconservadora]

Originally Posted by R@ptor

Of course. Argentina and Uruguay happened to be two of the world's richest countries until the 1940s and they are both typical middle-income countries now.

As for the original question. Now that a handful of Eastern European countries (Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Croatia, Hungary, Poland, Estonia, Latvia) as well as Taiwan and South Korea have achieved the developed country status during the last 15 years or so, the most likely contenders to do so in the near future are IMO Malaysia and Panama.
Both have a robust growth and a stable investment-friendly government.
Chile might make it as well, however their growth has slowed down and the divide between the rich and poor is growing larger in recent years there.

About chile. chile growth last year was 6%, considered very high. and the divission between poor and richs is not growing, is actually the opposite. chilean society have been historically very inequal, but this inequality have been slowly going down. according to OECD and chilean goverment sources gini index is like 0,49 now but have been 0,54 10 years ago. even without that, chilean poors lives better than theire parents, and thats very clear to them. also there are studies that say that the inequality is a large time process, so probably in 20 years chile will be one of the countries with lowest inequality, because you can be sure that chileans are very very concerned about that and there are many laws made for that matters.

[derechaconservadora]

Originally Posted by Motul

Ok, maipo..

What is Maipo?

[-Corey-]

Originally Posted by Erran

Somehow agree with this point.
Western people and media had pushed it way way too far. People in different region surely have their own different norms. Suddenly pushing new ideology to the existing system will only cause "shock" that will bring no good result.

Someone here says Spore, UAE, Qatar aren't yet developed since he says, based on his own opinion, that these countries have no women's rights. They put in the first place "liberal freedom to do anything" as "right", and he doesn't even realize that "right" can be identified as something different in other country, other region.

Developed society is not the same as lawless society, my sweet dear.

Have you ever heard of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?? lol

[italiano_pellicano]

italia es un pais rico , sus problemas no son tan graves como los de mexico

el salario minimo en italia es 1000 euros en mexico cuanto es ? 4000 pesos al mes ?

Originally Posted by isakres

Italy and Greece???

[Skyprince]

Originally Posted by isakres

I aslo believe that different "types" of development can be achieved by nations that are different from each other. Some of the reasons that many Westenerns doesnt think some Arab countries are already or could be developed are rooted on cliches about religious issues and traditions. I think we need to take that out from the equation and try to assess the overall wealthness and social indicators. Poor lower skilled workforce can be found in Dubai but also in the US.

Maybe 10-15 years ago they were still "backward" , but they changed extremely fast

Originally Posted by -Corey-

Have you ever heard of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?? lol

What is universal about human rights ?

Take this example:

Many Asians and Gulf Arabs care ALOT about convenience in shopping and obsessed about food/restaurant. But from what I saw in Europe and Australia , the White people don't care much.

When I was in Europe and Australia I found it's quite inconvenient to find quality restaurants ( density isn't there ) and many neighborhoods in UK, Australian cities lack even "very basic " thing like grocery shops . Many grocery shops and supermarkets are closed too early between 5- 7 pm, which to me , is an "Oppression of human rights" since we are denied access to necessities at night time

By contrast , in Dubai Abu Dhabi Qatar there are TONNES of good quality restaurants in neighborhoods with variety of food offering , ALL Hypermarkets must open till 12 midnight , some of them even open 24-7 , almost ALL gas/ pump stations have convenience store attached . Even in the "poorest" Emirates like Fujairah there are many HUGE hypermarkets open till midnight and tons of high-quality restaurants and cafes in poorer neighborhoods its simply amazing !

The "hyper-consumerist" lifestyle I saw in Arab Gulf countries makes consumerist lifestyle I saw in Europe and Australia absolutely boring and a complete joke , sorry to say

Then again, comes to the fact the priority among Whites and Arabs in their lives are different

[Chrissib]

I bet the difference is that we Westerners actually have to work for our wealth, which of course doesn't leave much time to lead a consumerist lifestyle like the gulf Arabs. They got the luck to just having to let other people pumping up the wealth.

[Skyprince]

Many countries in Southeast Asia and East Asia the consumerist lifestyle is far more vibrant than any single Western country I've been to

Japan ,South Korea, Singapore are famed for their hard work but its very convenient to find shops, supermarkets and restaurants at every single corner with vast array of product. I didn't find this in Australia and Europe

[Rekarte]

Originally Posted by Gorky

Because...it s true ...

Originally Posted by Motul

A country with little or no civil rights to minorities cannot be considered developed, no.

IMO, Canada is the most developed country out there

For you,less than 1% of world population
now you can dance with the decay of Europe