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Old May 5th, 2005, 03:40 PM   #1
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St. Pancras Eurostar - Thameslink Terminal

Rail link to Eurostar? Sorry, you'll have to walk
Ben Webster Transport Correspondent
5 May 2005
The Times

Thousands of people travelling by train to the Continent will have to pass through a "ghost station" because the Government has delayed funding its completion.

A vast hole below St Pancras station, London, has been built to accommodate a new Thameslink station, but ministers have failed to provide the Pounds 70 million needed to fit it with platforms and escalators.

As a result, passengers wanting to transfer from Thameslink to Eurostar services will have to drag their suitcases a third of a mile along congested streets. The existing, overcrowded Thameslink station is a ten-minute walk from St Pancras across two busy road junctions.

St Pancras and King's Cross are together due to become Britain's biggest rail hub when the second section of the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (CTRL) opens in summer 2007. Up to 100,000 passengers an hour will pass through the hub. Waterloo International will close and Eurostar trains from Paris and Brussels will terminate at St Pancras.

The Central London section of the Thameslink line has been closed for nine months while the 400-yard box has been built beneath St Pancras. Union Railways, the company building it, offered to start fitting it out while the line was closed.

But the Government would not make a committment to funding the project and the box will lie empty indefinitely.

Thameslink trains will start running through the box from May 16 but will not be able to stop there because there are no station facilities. Union Railways said it would take at least two years to build the station and that, with funding still uncertain, it was unlikely to be ready until 2008 at the earliest.

Paul Charles, Eurostar communications director, said: "It is extremely frustrating that the new Thameslink station will not be ready for when Eurostar starts running to St Pancras. This was meant to be the showpiece hub for the 21st century but without Thameslink it will lose some of its shine."

Brian Cooke, chairman of the London Transport Users Committee, wrote yesterday to Mike Mitchell, the Government's director-general of railways, demanding an immediate decision on funding the station. "This is the last piece in the jigsaw of this huge interchange and it's a great shame that the Government has not yet given the go-ahead," he said. "The Pounds 60 million to Pounds 70 million it would cost is petty cash compared with the Pounds 5 billion being spent on CTRL.

Passengers travelling on Thameslink from Gatwick and Luton to St Pancras will be hugely inconvenienced."

The delay means that Thameslink passengers, who have already endured 35 weeks of disruption, face more line closures when the box is eventually fitted out. The delay is expected to add at least Pounds 10 million to the total cost of the project. Transport for London is drawing up an emergency plan to rescue the scheme and is considering whether it can find the Pounds 70 million from its own budget.

But it remains unclear whether TfL could find a contractor able to complete the work by the summer of 2007.

The Department for Transport said: "We need to look further at options for the Thameslink box, including timing."
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Old May 5th, 2005, 07:57 PM   #2
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Old May 6th, 2005, 01:28 AM   #3
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Interesting news, on the otherhand the new Kings Cross Ticket Hall has begun which is slap bang next door to St Pancras.

On another note, this combined station would be pretty immense, especially if its true as the article states that there would be around 100,000 passengers per hour funnelling through the St Pancras Kings Cross uber-interchange of: Circle, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria Underground lines, Eurostar, Thameslink, Midland Mainline and WAGN commuter & regional trains!!!! Crazy!!!

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Old May 6th, 2005, 04:37 AM   #4
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Old May 6th, 2005, 11:09 AM   #5
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Why does it cost £70 million to tile the walls and put in a couple of escaltors?

The plans to redevelop the space between KX and StP can be seen on www.alwaystouchout.com and are fantastic!
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Old May 6th, 2005, 11:57 AM   #6
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In every country politicians are the same rubbish!
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Interesting news, on the otherhand the new Kings Cross Ticket Hall has begun which is slap bang next door to St Pancras.

On another note, this combined station would be pretty immense, especially if its true as the article states that there would be around 100,000 passengers per hour funnelling through the St Pancras Kings Cross uber-interchange of: Circle, Hammersmith & City, Metropolitan, Northern, Piccadilly and Victoria Underground lines, Eurostar, Thameslink, Midland Mainline and WAGN commuter & regional trains!!!! Crazy!!!
I went down to London a month ago - next to the stairs down to the Underground from the concourse at Kings Cross there were a number of 3D illustrations of the new ticket halls which looked very impressive, but I had to leg it to catch my train so didn't get the chance to stop and have a proper look. Does anybody know where they (or any similar ones) are online?
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The completed station will be mighty impressive, 9 levels in total I think! Hopefully now with Labour back in the funding should come soon. Typical polititians though! Sigh...
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View of the new station in question - picture taken 27/04/2005

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I hope funding gets freed up for this. If you're going to start a job, finish it.
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Old August 9th, 2005, 02:37 PM   #11
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London Overground Trains

These trains are lesser known (worldwide) than the undergound trains. They mainly serve the London suburbs, and some go out into the London metro region. They operate from major terminus' like Charing Cross, Victoria, Liverpool Street, Paddington and Kings Cross/St.Pancras etc.

The network is very extensive. On the map below, the overground lines are shown in Black & White. (the underground lines are shown in colour)






South Eastern Trains operate suburban rail services for South East London and the county of Kent. Here is how their rolling stock has changed over the years:


British Rail Class 411 (1963) [to be withdrawn from service this year]





British Rail Class 421 (1972) [withdrawn from service in 2004]






British Rail Class 423 (1974) [to be withdrawn from service this year]






British Rail Class 508 (1980) [withdrawn from Southern London service because of unpopularity]






British Rail Class 465 "networker" (1991) [still in operation]






British Rail Class 365 (1994) [transferred to another company in 2004]







British Rail Classes 375 and 376 "electrostar" and "suburban electrostar" (2005) [in operation]









Here are trains from other London Metro Operators:

c2c







Anglia



Thames Trains






South Western







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Heathrow Express






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I bet you had trouble searching for these pics. The newer trains are a rarity in London. How many are there? Two?
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I bet you had trouble searching for these pics. The newer trains are a rarity in London. How many are there? Two?
Thats 1 more than Germany though!








A large variety of London operating trains - inc some unique trains on scenic tours that set off from London


































































A better rail map that shows the overground lines better than hidden behind in the previous map example.
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Great photos and wonderful maps!

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A better rail map that shows the overground lines better than hidden behind in the previous map example.
No need to bring up Germany and post Eurostar pictures to prove how modern the trains in the UK are (lol). This thread is about the overground trains in London..
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No need to bring up Germany and post Eurostar pictures to prove how modern the trains in the UK are (lol). This thread is about the overground trains in London..
Technically Eurostar is an overground train - it operates within London and across London. When the CTRL is complete it will stop at 2 stations within the city proper. Also the Eurostar is far from new, there are other rolling stock, mainly that of South-West Trains which I use which offer a far nicer ride.
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Old August 9th, 2005, 06:15 PM   #19
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these are so colorful and tasteless trains..




is this newest? ugly face but windows and doors are nice..




this is cool...
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These are Chiltern line trains.

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