Snowhill Phase 3 | Snow Hill Queensway | 15 fl | 90m | Prop. - Page 2

joshwebb · January 21st, 2012, 06:52 PM

Oh right I wondered what Q2 meant lol but is that just the info? Carnt we get another render before that?

Erebus555 · January 21st, 2012, 07:02 PM

Q2 is when they'll submit the planning application, so everything to do with the scheme will be able to view and will most likely include renders. It's up to the architects and developers if they want to release any renders before then - there's not really any set procedure to that.

Gherkin · January 21st, 2012, 08:28 PM

Architects would not release renders without permission from the developer. Some glossy renders will be produced to generate interest in the scheme with the planning application.

The design is far from the slender duo of the cancelled Snow Hill towers, but it still looks interesting enough. Really bizarre visuals!

sefton66 · January 21st, 2012, 09:58 PM

Will this need to secure a pre let before construction or would it be a speculative build?

Ive heard a rumour they are possibly hoping to get planning for this and put in planning for extension of the old app going with the scheme which attracts a tennant first, doubt this is true though?

hoody · January 21st, 2012, 10:43 PM

I fucking hate recessions.

I know overall it's not a bad building but can't help thinking what it ~~should~~ could've been.

Another missed opportunity. This was the only true proposal that was underway not like the bull shit V Building or Regal.

Erebus555 · January 22nd, 2012, 12:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sefton66

Will this need to secure a pre let before construction or would it be a speculative build?

Ive heard a rumour they are possibly hoping to get planning for this and put in planning for extension of the old app going with the scheme which attracts a tennant first, doubt this is true though?

Yeh it will most likely need a prelet to secure bank funding. I can't imagine the old scheme having much success going forward because of the high number of apartments.

Elizabeth Kinoke · January 22nd, 2012, 01:11 PM

if I hadn't seen the original plans I'd be really happy with this, sadly, it's anothre nail in the coffin for a skyscraper in Birmingham. This was a prefect location so close to BT tower.

Ecological · January 22nd, 2012, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Brum X

Nah i think it will be around 100metres. The original 43 floor tower was 138meters so i think talking about it being close to 125metres is a bit too far.

I think there thinking of giving us skyscraper dudes a tower which will be excatly 100metres to stop us moaning, he he he

Resi floor to ceiling differ to office floor to ceiling.

My guesstimate is that they've chopped off 15-20m.

Its going to be a biggy still. 120-125m.

joshwebb · January 22nd, 2012, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Elizabeth Kinoke

if I hadn't seen the original plans I'd be really happy with this, sadly, it's anothre nail in the coffin for a skyscraper in Birmingham. This was a prefect location so close to BT tower.

I agree but its better then nothing isn't it? I hope it goes ahead

Mercurius · January 22nd, 2012, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Ecological

Resi floor to ceiling differ to office floor to ceiling.

My guesstimate is that they've chopped off 15-20m.

Its going to be a biggy still. 120-125m.

I agree here, would be my guess also, im just glad that something else has been proposed for the site. The old proposal just wouldnt have seen the light of day in this current climate.

Engels · January 23rd, 2012, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sefton66

Will this need to secure a pre let before construction or would it be a speculative build?

Ive heard a rumour they are possibly hoping to get planning for this and put in planning for extension of the old app going with the scheme which attracts a tennant first, doubt this is true though?

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I'm not sure whether it i possible to have 2 different but valid applications at anyone time. Woody do you know if it is possible?

Myster E · January 23rd, 2012, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Mercurius

I agree here, would be my guess also, im just glad that something else has been proposed for the site. The old proposal just wouldnt have seen the light of day in this current climate.

Welcome back. I'm probably in agreeance with EK slightly, shame about the loss of height and my first thought was 45 Church Street, doesn't even look Alpha's height. It's to be accepted with the economic uncertainty amidst all the doom and gloom, I'm sure this will grow on me but at the mo, not really digging it.

Mercurius · January 23rd, 2012, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Myster E

Welcome back.

Cheers, didn't think anyone would realise.... I do a lot more browsing of the site now and hardly comment but ive often been 'lurking' on here whilst staying silent haha.

adamdalziel · January 23rd, 2012, 09:12 AM

People seem to be being quite negative about this. I thought phase 3 was completely dead so am really pleased it may be going ahead. I think it's a v nice design and if it's to be taken literally, its a biggy considering its neighbour is 75m.

Brummyboy92 · January 23rd, 2012, 11:44 AM

People seem to forget that how are they going to build this with no one planning on moving in once complete. Is that the problem we are having with Natwest and Beoroma?

joshwebb · January 23rd, 2012, 12:44 PM

why whats happening on 45 church street?

***woodhousen*** · January 23rd, 2012, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Engels

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I'm not sure whether it i possible to have 2 different but valid applications at anyone time. Woody do you know if it is possible?

Yes this is perfectly legal and perfectly acceptable... assuming all proposals are deemed appropriate.

I have just detal with a city centre site which the owner whats to sell. Consequently, the increase the value and salability of the site, they submitted 3 different planning applications for three different buildings for three different uses... apartments, student accommodation and a hotel... perfectly legal... but as soon as you start on site for one planning application, you can only commense work on one permisison, not all three... ie you cant start buildings an apartnemtn building and then switch halfway through the build to the approved hotel without the need for another planning application....

Erebus555 · January 23rd, 2012, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Brummyboy92

People seem to forget that how are they going to build this with no one planning on moving in once complete. Is that the problem we are having with Natwest and Beoroma?

Yeh, they need a pre-let. Banks are very unlikely to give loans to fund the construction of office buildings right now if they don't have a tenant lined up. Before the recession, we saw office buildings getting funding irrespective of if there was a tenant or not. Now it's a completely different story.

Sandblast · January 23rd, 2012, 08:39 PM

Woody .... is this really a 24 storey office building .... is this confirmed?

joshwebb · January 24th, 2012, 10:13 AM

Why sandblast? Do you think its got more or less floors?

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January 21st, 2012, 06:52 PM	#21
joshwebb Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 1,605 Likes (Received): 5	Oh right I wondered what Q2 meant lol but is that just the info? Carnt we get another render before that?

January 21st, 2012, 08:28 PM	#23
Gherkin actual gherkin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Leeds Posts: 13,720 Likes (Received): 155	Architects would not release renders without permission from the developer. Some glossy renders will be produced to generate interest in the scheme with the planning application. The design is far from the slender duo of the cancelled Snow Hill towers, but it still looks interesting enough. Really bizarre visuals!

January 21st, 2012, 09:58 PM	#24
sefton66 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Birmingham Posts: 6,477 Likes (Received): 58	Will this need to secure a pre let before construction or would it be a speculative build? Ive heard a rumour they are possibly hoping to get planning for this and put in planning for extension of the old app going with the scheme which attracts a tennant first, doubt this is true though?

January 22nd, 2012, 01:11 PM	#27
Elizabeth Kinoke Wheels... Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 4,043 Likes (Received): 0	if I hadn't seen the original plans I'd be really happy with this, sadly, it's anothre nail in the coffin for a skyscraper in Birmingham. This was a prefect location so close to BT tower.

January 23rd, 2012, 09:12 AM	#34
adamdalziel Adam Join Date: Jun 2011 Posts: 563 Likes (Received): 4	People seem to be being quite negative about this. I thought phase 3 was completely dead so am really pleased it may be going ahead. I think it's a v nice design and if it's to be taken literally, its a biggy considering its neighbour is 75m.

January 23rd, 2012, 11:44 AM	#35
Brummyboy92 Brummy and proud Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Birmingham Posts: 4,012 Likes (Received): 12	People seem to forget that how are they going to build this with no one planning on moving in once complete. Is that the problem we are having with Natwest and Beoroma?

January 23rd, 2012, 12:44 PM	#36
joshwebb Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 1,605 Likes (Received): 5	why whats happening on 45 church street?

January 23rd, 2012, 08:39 PM	#39
Sandblast Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: BIRMINGHAM ... in exile in the wilderness of rural Gloucestershire Posts: 2,863 Likes (Received): 2	Woody .... is this really a 24 storey office building .... is this confirmed?

January 24th, 2012, 10:13 AM	#40
joshwebb Registered User Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Birmingham, England Posts: 1,605 Likes (Received): 5	Why sandblast? Do you think its got more or less floors?