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Old February 4th, 2012, 04:48 AM   #101
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I still hate that entrance though it's simply awful. It looks very stand-offish and looks like it's trying to hide something. The Building is fine but the entrance is absolutely awful.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 11:46 AM   #102
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I agree with you there Typhoon.

It's almost as if it's a sop to the previous scheme, with it's grand stairs and bridge between the two towers.

They either need to make it bigger or scrap it.
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Old February 4th, 2012, 09:07 PM   #103
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well considering they are using the footprints of the original buildings, these staps would surely be the same size as those proposed in the tower scheme!?
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Old February 5th, 2012, 11:38 AM   #104
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I'm really excited snowhill 3 is moving. I think it'll be a great addition and looks like it's 100m+ which is great :-) Yes, it's not quite up to the original scheme but considering the financial crisis this is a good result (imo, of course!)
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Old February 5th, 2012, 03:30 PM   #105
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As someone who is not involved in any way with the design of buildings or of the public realm I always read with interest the comments of those forumers that are involved or studying the subject. If I may pass comment though on some of the comments about this building. Some of the adverse comments on the site have been about the entrance to the building and the lack of interaction at ground level with the street.

I can understand the view that both are somewhat underwhelming however I feel that a distinction should be made between the needs of a HQ building and the needs of a building that will provide office space to many companies ( The McClaren building for example does not strike me as imposing at street level). Corporations often wish to make a statement to the world via their HQ buildings and that in many cases they make it by the initial entrance and public reception areas. For a purely commercial building though the requirement really surely is for functionality – does the entrance work?- is the public reception of suitable quality?

The apparent lack of progress on the HQ building slated for NatWest Colmore Row may have coloured the design and led the developers to maximise the space available for commercial use rather than make a statement – I merely speculate at their intent.

With regards to the dead street level I assume that people mean some form of public interaction such as café’s, restaurants, shops etc. These of course need to be commercially viable and I would suggest that the lack of pedestrian flow past this building would make anything here unsustainable. The area is currently dead all day and this building will only generate footfall during the working day, I would doubt if that would be sufficient to generate income for a business.

What I do think it does is put additional people into the area that will help any future development on the strip opposite for instance to incorporate some street interaction I therefore welcome the building to the area and see it as a positive catalyst for future developments near by.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 03:32 PM   #106
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Suttonbluenose also raised the issue of additional traffic with cars and taxis calling into the offices. This surely is only for visitors and I would not really see there being a constant stream of visitors arriving by car or taxi. I have been to many office buildings throughout the world with impaired vehicular access and I do not see this as a problem in any way.

Cars could easily be accommodated by taking some spaces on contract at Snowhill for the entire building or on a company-by-company basis. If there is sufficient room behind the building then maybe an exit from the far end of the car park down to street level would make this arrangement highly suitable.

With regards to taxis they stop kerbside all the time in places like London and the minute or so it takes for passengers to disembark does not seem an issue.

Finally and forgive me if the design makes this clear – but did the cancelled plans not include some underground parking space and there appears to me still to be some construction that leaves this possible.
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Old February 5th, 2012, 04:02 PM   #107
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In terms of the underground parking point I recall that this has already been completed for all 3 phases. I suspect this is why the steps are in the same place as I suspect they already exist behind the hoardings.
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Old February 6th, 2012, 11:26 AM   #108
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following on from sgt. wilkos comments, everything everyone has assumed about this scheme is just that, an assumption. given the fact that the sketches we've seen so far are so vague, we relly know nothing about this scheme... consequently, discussions on whether this building is too high or too short, or concerns about ground floor uses are a little premature as we have absolutely no idea of what is actually being proposed and what form it will take!
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Old May 8th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #109
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When I first saw this I feared that what looks like 2 floors might actually be 1 because of the perspective of the photo.

But looking again and at the figures on floorplates I can't really figure it out. The lower section will give the 20 000 sq ft floorplates which look about the same as the first phase and twice the size of 11 Brindleyplace which is probably the same size as the upper section?

My guess is that 200 000 sq ft office space is about 250 000 sq ft with plant rooms.

100m?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:24 PM   #110
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BUMP

Looks like a 90m office block then

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Application Number 2012/07761/PA
Application Type Outline
Site Address No.3 Snowhill Snowhill Queensway Birmingham B4 6JG
Proposal Outline application (all other matters reserved except for access) for the erection of office (Use Class B1(a) with retail/restaurant/conference/gym (Use Classes A1, A3, D1 & D2) associated Plant, parking and landscaping
http://eplanning.birmingham.gov.uk/N...APP&key=579388
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:36 PM   #111
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Blimey! If that's we we finish up with after this whole sorry saga, then we'll have come out of it very well.

I like that - not as good as the original plan, but better than the last idea we saw.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 01:47 PM   #112
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The last planning app is just a temporary measure until this secures a pre let both proposals will happen at some point, unless they can get a big enough prelet straight away!

Still think they could have replaced the residential part with a hotel above the offices
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 02:51 PM   #113
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good to see this finally in the public domain!
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:55 PM   #114
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Nice! Looks like the cores are still the same shape as the Westin Hotel?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 03:58 PM   #115
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Cores will be demolished and they will reuse the shape of the podium platform that has been built
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 04:40 PM   #116
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Looks nice but a shame to lose a tower that would have added to the skyline, this, even if it was 100m, won't be that visible given its location.

Anyway, at 15m AOD taller than its neighbour, if built to full permitted height and sitting on lower ground, this is looking like 90-95m.
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 05:47 PM   #117
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 07:03 PM   #118
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Meh!! Economist might have been right!!
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 08:00 PM   #119
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Meh!! Economist might have been right!!
Right about what?
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Old November 23rd, 2012, 08:11 PM   #120
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I'm enjoying the facade detail, the vertical fins especially on the Queensway elevation.

However I can't quite understand why they've chosen to remove the stepping in height which faces St Chads Square. The design feature would have allowed a large mid-rise to open up toward Constitution Hill and create a less imposing elevation. This wasn't a problem when we had a tall slender tower.

Much improved but just a thought
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