Future of iran!

[Persan]

Interesting KalePache.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by KalePache

I could say the same to you guys. Thankfully i realise brainwashed people to that BS they call "western democracy" are lost causes and there is no point reasoning with them. Its a good thing the ruling majority in Iran don't think with their genitals.

Peace.

nobody asked for a western democracy
why is it that some people only see 2 things, islamic regime or america's slave

we shouldnt be any, we are iran, and we will have our OWN democracy

[TEHR_IR]

Originally Posted by KalePache

I could say the same to you guys. Thankfully i realise brainwashed people to that BS they call "western democracy" are lost causes and there is no point reasoning with them. Its a good thing the ruling majority in Iran don't think with their genitals.


Peace.

I can tell you support the clerics and their regime, I respect that, I mean it, but please respect other opinions aswell if they don't agree with your thoughts.

[alshawi1234]

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by alshawi1234

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.

no
if america comes, they will replace this dictatorial regime with another, like they (west) have for the past decades

and this regime is not like mubarak or anything, its a semi nation of its own, and what we saw in iraq was horrible, all the damage, death, killing etc who would want that

iranians would fight back regardless of the regime
another thing is that iranians want to make changes from the roots, slow , renaissance like change, not some over night magic, and most importantly on their own, thats probably the most important factor,
real progress wont ever be made unless its from within
not to mentionnmany people in iran are quite conspiracy-like, and believe the regime itself is ultimately a western installment to destroy the stability of iran and the region (culturally, economically, politically etc) , which i agree too for a large part, although, its grown out of the wests own hands, so iranians , for the larger part, dont like the west or east or islamic regime or anybody else to interfere with our country, infact, america really wont attack , not this regime, why would they? its doing them fine, and all the political hype is a game to mess around with us and cover what really happens behind the curtains
iran is stuck between two evils, the west and the islamic regime, anything from both is not welcomed
we have had a very long democratic struggle spanning over 1.5 centuries from the 1800s, we dont want anybody to put more obstacles in our way

and the kurds, i can tell u the majority of iranian kurds dont even think about separation or anything, they see themselves as iranian,
iraqi kurds and turkish kurds are a different story

[abii]

Originally Posted by alshawi1234

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.

The thing with Iran is that every nationality, be it Kurdish/persian/Azari, sees Iran as his or hers and any conflict is usually over who controls the nation. It's never about outright division. Plus, whereever kurds live, they're outnumbered by Azaris so they can't duplicate Iraqi Kurdistan in Iran as they're not even the majority in those lands. Plus, 4/7 million kurds are shias and for the most part they're persianized.

Also, Iranians will never welcome invaders, no matter what their beliefs or class are. Americans have also never talked about invasion in the past 32 years, just an aerial attack, and even that's extremely unlikely.

They will continue the sanctions and as we're seeing, the sanctions are breaking the back of the regime. What happens as a result of these sanctions is up for debate.

Edit: to answer your question better, Iranians see the regime and the West as both evil and anti-Iranian entities. The regime is trying to impose arabic culture and morality and the West is trying to impose its will. In reality Iranians want neither.

[persian]

Originally Posted by alshawi1234

Quick question about Iran,

To what extend do Iranians support an American/Israel or "western" war against the current Iranian regime?

Will Iranians who oppose the current regime accept an invasion to change the regime? (similar to what happened on Iraq)

So far I know that most Kurds support a war against Iran in order to claim Irani Kurdistan. Not sure about other Iranians factions.

Well nobody can talk on behalf of every Iranian because they have different opinions. But I have seen many people in Iran who see a western attack as the only way to get rid of this regime and thus they support it. And whoever thinks a democracy can be achieved from within this regime is only kidding themselves.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by persian

Well nobody can talk on behalf of every Iranian because they have different opinions. But I have seen many people in Iran who see a western attack as the only way to get rid of this regime and thus they support it. And whoever thinks a democracy can be achieved from within this regime is only kidding themselves.

not within the regime
by withing we mean internal changes made by force by the people

if the west loved iran so much they already would of "given" us "democracy" in the past 200 years

[alshawi1234]

Thanks for answers. I actually have know many Iranians. Some of them are pro-government. And some anti-government. Most of them dislike both the shah and the current government. surprisingly the Arab Iranians (ahwazis) prefer to say that they are Iranian although they are closer to being Iraqi (I as an Iraqi can't even tell the difference between ahwazis and southern Iraqis)

Any rough estimates as to what percentage of Iranian would cooperate?. (With less bias as possible)

For iraq's case, most Iraqis abandoned the idea of fighting. Most Iraqis wanted to get rid of Saddam by any means necessary. Iraq was literally stuck in the stone ages, no development, no freedom, poverty, basically everyone was just worrying about staying alive and not starving or getting arrested. Besides it was a loosing war for the Iraqis. (the more resistance, the more our cities get bombed to the stone ages)

[SoroushPersepolisi]

percentage wise, i have no idea lol

btw where have u met the pro-government iranians ?

[alshawi1234]

Originally Posted by SoroushPersepolisi

percentage wise, i have no idea lol

btw where have u met the pro-government iranians ?

Iv met a few here in Canada. Most of them students who are here to study. Two of them said they support the government. But I'm not sure that everyone that comes from Iran are pro government. I also met many engineers who work both here and Iran (they travel to Iran occasionally). I'm not exactly sure if everyone who goes back to Iran is pro-government though. Many of the Iranians here are quite liberal.

I'm not sure how the system in Iran works, do they imprison everyone who is anti-government? That's the way it was in iraq during saddams time (all political allies and their supporters are either killed or imprisoned), don't know about Iran today but I'm guessing its not nearly as bad as saddam's dictatorship.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by alshawi1234

Iv met a few here in Canada. Most of them students who are here to study. Two of them said they support the government. But I'm not sure that everyone that comes from Iran are pro government. I also met many engineers who work both here and Iran (they travel to Iran occasionally). I'm not exactly sure if everyone who goes back to Iran is pro-government though. Many of the Iranians here are quite liberal.

I'm not sure how the system in Iran works, do they imprison everyone who is anti-government? That's the way it was in iraq during saddams time (all political allies and their supporters are either killed or imprisoned), don't know about Iran today but I'm guessing its not nearly as bad as saddam's dictatorship.

any anti government movement or people are arrested detaoned and either torchured or hanged etc
saddam was 1 guy
imagine a whole system of saddams but WİTH sharia, whi cover all their dirsty work witg islamic excuses
very unfair, sharia itself is bad enough, but these guys twist it even more
and the corruption and inequality ..... then they try to brainwash with islam
its like medieval europe in modern times lol
if u oppose the government its like u oppose god, so, u die
these guys have drilled to the bare bones of society

anyway

almost all iranians abroad are anti gvrnment
and i think the majority inside iran are too
not sure
personal observation

and dont listen to the people in canada that say the support the dictatorship
if they do , then WTF are they doing in canada? their words are just some lala land utopian imagery of an islamic republic but realistically they come out of iran themselves because they know its not the place to live
some return
and the few that do , usually go because they have a good job or they want to feed off the unlawfullnes in iran or they haveinvestments and personal business, or some just like it, but that doesnt mean they support the regime
i have met many of them, they have jobs or invesyments in iran but that has nothing to do with supporting the regime
i for example have plans on returning to work in iran as a doctor for a while, then come back and forth, not to mention almost all iranians return back for trips and visits in the summers (ie party time lol)
one of my friends is very religious (one of the 1% religious iranian diaspora) and he says he supports khomeini and and islamic gvrnment, but then, why on earth does he live in a secular country? because he deep down knows that the islamic regime is screwed up and his actions go against the regime, he has just been told that islam is #1 and secularism is bad and khomeini is good , from the same people that preach in a secular society, and he himselves lives in one

a paradox

[sursena]

Please, stop the bomb iran! The world want PEACE!

[Ahura_Mazda]

Originally Posted by sursena

Please, stop the bomb iran! The world want PEACE!

Iran has no bomb and has no plan to build a bomb. Use google; search list of countries having atomic bombs and try to educate yourself.

We Iranian have 7000 years of history and continuous civilization. 2500 years ago we wrote the most important human achievement in all history "THE HUMAN RIGHT". It makes me so sad when I see ignorant people who were hanging trees for all history coming and call us non-peaceful? I don't care what your ignorant stupid media broadcast for you, stop writing hate speeches in all pages.

[soheilz]

Who the hell cares if Iran gets a nuclear bomb. No one has the right to object, and in fact I would be glad if Iran made a thousand n-bombs just to shut all the whiny bitchy critics up. I hate the IR as much as the next guy, but I can't stand the hypocrisy from the rest of the world.

[abii]

Originally Posted by sursena

Please, stop the bomb iran! The world want PEACE!

piss off troll

[abii]

Originally Posted by Ahura_Mazda

Iran has no bomb and has no plan to build a bomb. Use google; search list of countries having atomic bombs and try to educate yourself.

We Iranian have 7000 years of history and continuous civilization. 2500 years ago we wrote the most important human achievement in all history "THE HUMAN RIGHT". It makes me so sad when I see ignorant people who were hanging trees for all history coming and call us non-peaceful? I don't care what your ignorant stupid media broadcast for you, stop writing hate speeches in all pages.

Man that aint how you talk to a braindead fool like him. His mind doesn't operate the same as me and yours. What you wrote means nothing to him. These type of people are modern day "KKK" types. Their racism and hate might not be based on colour, but it's racism and hate regardless. Trying to talk to them is pointless b/c they've made up their mind that they hate you. Every reason they use for hating you is a figment of their imagination based on the stuff they pick up in the media. Imagine it's the 20th century and a black guy is trying to explain to a bunch of KKK members that just b/c he's black, it doesn't mean he's from a different human specie etc...

Don't waste your time on these types.

"the world wants peace"

telling this to a country that hasn't attacked another nation in 3-4 centuries!

[persian]

There is no doubt that the regime is building nuclear weapons, hopefully they will be stopped before that happening.

[Cyrus]

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.

[sursena]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.