Future of iran!

[sursena]

Originally Posted by Ahura_Mazda

Iran has no bomb and has no plan to build a bomb. Use google; search list of countries having atomic bombs and try to educate yourself.

We Iranian have 7000 years of history and continuous civilization. 2500 years ago we wrote the most important human achievement in all history "THE HUMAN RIGHT". It makes me so sad when I see ignorant people who were hanging trees for all history coming and call us non-peaceful? I don't care what your ignorant stupid media broadcast for you, stop writing hate speeches in all pages.

Hellooooooo, who sad that iranians were stupids or something like that? But you definetly are.
I am Brazilian, and if you DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OUR CULTURE PLEASE SHUT THE F UP, OK?
"continuous civilization" I love the Persian culture, the true one, not that copy of arab muslim fundamentalists countries that is now Iran.

[sursena]

Originally Posted by soheilz

Who the hell cares if Iran gets a nuclear bomb. No one has the right to object, and in fact I would be glad if Iran made a thousand n-bombs just to shut all the whiny bitchy critics up. I hate the IR as much as the next guy, but I can't stand the hypocrisy from the rest of the world.

[sursena]

Man that aint how you talk to a braindead fool like him. His mind doesn't operate the same as me and yours. What you wrote means nothing to him. These type of people are modern day "KKK" types. Their racism and hate might not be based on colour, but it's racism and hate regardless. Trying to talk to them is pointless b/c they've made up their mind that they hate you. Every reason they use for hating you is a figment of their imagination based on the stuff they pick up in the media. Imagine it's the 20th century and a black guy is trying to explain to a bunch of KKK members that just b/c he's black, it doesn't mean he's from a different human specie etc...
SORRY, I AM NOT AMERICAN, I AM BRAZILIAN, USE THAT LOW ARGUMENT WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I DONT EVEN HATE YOU, I just despise you

"the world wants peace" Yes, but unfortunately some people dont

telling this to a country that hasn't attacked another nation in 3-4 centuries!
SORRY FOR BEING A PEACEFUL COUNTRY, I CAN SEE YOU ADMIRE THE WARRIOR ONE

Tchau para vocês

[Ahura_Mazda]

Originally Posted by sursena

Hellooooooo, who sad that iranians were stupids or something like that? But you definetly are.
I am Brazilian, and if you DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT OUR CULTURE PLEASE SHUT THE F UP, OK?
"continuous civilization" I love the Persian culture, the true one, not that copy of arab muslim fundamentalists countries that is now Iran.

I don't mean, Brazillian culture, do not try to change the topic. I have visited Mexico city, have lots of Latino and hispanic friends in USA and you can not tell me that I don't know about Latin American cultures.

However, I can blame my Latino American friends because of they don't want to alive their own rich culture, heritages and language. Most of them now speak a language that doesnot belong to them, in your case Portugease and are so proud of the religion which was made/developed in Middle eat and Europe (Christianity) and forget their own heritages while they were one of the founders of the greatest civilization (Maya and so on..).

I still believe some body who comes and troll again Iranian civilian (You, here on SSC) is an ignorant.


BTW, there is no connection between us and the arab world. We never accepted arab culture and language. Yes in last 33 years we got Islamic government, but it's already died and is just waiting people kick it ass out of country.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

just a quick note
many brazlians and latin americans have european blood, or are mixed, and the culture they have is fully enfused amongst them, they are part of it

there are millions of brazlians with full european blood, they arent homogenous

and argentina/uraguay etc are almost 100% european

[koloftoo]

Originally Posted by sursena

Man that aint how you talk to a braindead fool like him. His mind doesn't operate the same as me and yours. What you wrote means nothing to him. These type of people are modern day "KKK" types. Their racism and hate might not be based on colour, but it's racism and hate regardless. Trying to talk to them is pointless b/c they've made up their mind that they hate you. Every reason they use for hating you is a figment of their imagination based on the stuff they pick up in the media. Imagine it's the 20th century and a black guy is trying to explain to a bunch of KKK members that just b/c he's black, it doesn't mean he's from a different human specie etc...
SORRY, I AM NOT AMERICAN, I AM BRAZILIAN, USE THAT LOW ARGUMENT WITH OTHER PEOPLE. I DONT EVEN HATE YOU, I just despise you

"the world wants peace" Yes, but unfortunately some people dont

telling this to a country that hasn't attacked another nation in 3-4 centuries!
SORRY FOR BEING A PEACEFUL COUNTRY, I CAN SEE YOU ADMIRE THE WARRIOR ONE

Tchau para vocês

Nobody gives a sh!t what you think, what you want and where you're from. You're just another ignoramus tool who makes pronouncements about things he knows very little about. Respect, security and peace are two way streets. You won't get none from Iran in return, if you don't think you have to give any.

Now like other Iranians already told you piss off troll!

Koone laghet

[Cyrus]

We should distinguish two things: Iran and IRI, unlike biased Islamists, the Iranian people are really among the most tolerant people in the world, for thousands years Persians, Turks, Arabs, Armenians, Jews, Kurds, ... with different cultures and religions have lived beside each other in this country peacefully, but unfortunately nationalist or religious bigotry of some people have always made some problems for us, I believe Iran with a real democratic regime can be among the most respectable countries in the world.

[Ahura_Mazda]

Originally Posted by SoroushPersepolisi

just a quick note
many brazlians and latin americans have european blood, or are mixed, and the culture they have is fully enfused amongst them, they are part of it

there are millions of brazlians with full european blood, they arent homogenous

and argentina/uraguay etc are almost 100% european

Yeah, I know about. This is why they called Hispanic. But true Argentinian are 100% Europeans. I am not against European culture as much as I am not against arab culture. It's very normal in this world many countries get invaded, for instance when China got invaded by Mongilian it took them 270 yeras to get back the Beijing city from them and again brought Chinease culture. We Iranians, we speak the same language as 1000 years ago like what you see in unesco cultural world heritage the Shahnameh, in fact our language reached a perfect development from more than 1000 years ago.

I don't like when the countries who have been invaded and adopted the culture of that country, now blame us why do you have an islamic government which is from another culture.

I also believe Iran must clarify its nuclear program and prove to the world that its peaceful. But I don't like when so many countries exploded atomic bombs, still have atomic bombs and are not a member of NPT telling Iranian non-peaceful while fucking Islamic republic has no bomb.

Well, lets stop about talking about troll guy and back to TOPIC ;-)

[Cyrus]

The undeniable fact is that Iran is already the most active state sponsor of terrorism in the world, a knife in the hand of a terrorist is very dangerous because this brainwashed person can cut one's head enjoyfully, it is better to not even think about the nuclear weapons.

[koloftoo]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.

I don't know through what twisted logic you arrive at the conclusion that you do, or about the relevance of the fraudulent 09 elections to Iran's inherent national interests and the regional realpolitik. But I draw the line at foreign interference.

Iranians are entitled to their own experience and to make their own share of mistakes, learn their lessons and evolve as a result. In fact, much of what we suffer from today, is due to the stunted evolutionary cycle, caused by the numerous foreign interventions, and the resulting social backwardness and the political immaturity of the masses. We have to develop a culture where we take responsibility for all facets of our lives and not use outsiders to resolve our internal conflicts or settle scores, when events don't go our way.

From Ahmad shah qajar, to General Zahedi and Shaboon bi mokh, to today's MKO, we have suffered much from traitors who who have argued the end justifies the means. As an Iranian I would have no problem with the current Iranian government subjecting collaborators with foreign powers to the ultimate punishment.

[Cyrus]

Every country seeks its own interests, it is clear that a foreign invasion won't be to save us, as usual in Iran, I talked about bad and worse, a nuclear-armed IRI is not only dangerous for Iranians but almost all other peoples of the world, in this situation an upcoming war can be unavoidable, so if I can't stop the current regime of Iran then I will never support it under the assumption of defending my country.

[koloftoo]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

Every country seeks its own interests, it is clear that a foreign invasion won't be to save us, as usual in Iran, I talked about bad and worse, a nuclear-armed IRI is not only dangerous for Iranians but almost all other peoples of the world, in this situation an upcoming war can be unavoidable, so if I can't stop the current regime of Iran then I will never support it under the assumption of defending my country.

So on the one hand you agree that foreign powers seek and care for their own interests, but on the other you prefer them to an Iranian one? Do you see the dissonance in your own logic. Or perhaps you're viewing this from a foreigner's perspective, in which case your point is good and valid and you won't get an argument from me!

And how is an Iranian government with nuclear weapons more of a danger to the Iranian people than it already is? Are you delusional enough to believe that the government of Iran will use nuclear weapons inside the country? And how is a nuclear Iran more of a danger to the rest of the world than the already existing ones, including one that believes they are literally the chosen people of god?

And you don't have to agree with anything the Iranian government says or does. But if you betray Iran or collaborate with foreign powers for the sake of whatever half-baked ideas you may have, like you mentioned previously, then you are a traitor and should be treated as such.

[Cyrus]

Originally Posted by koloftoo

So on the one hand you agree that foreign powers seek and care for their own interests, but on the other you prefer them to an Iranian one? Do you see the dissonance in your own logic. Or perhaps you're viewing this from a foreigner's perspective, in which case your point is good and valid and you won't get an argument from me!

And how is an Iranian government with nuclear weapons more of a danger to the Iranian people than it already is? Are you delusional enough to believe that the government of Iran will use nuclear weapons inside the country? And how is a nuclear Iran more of a danger to the rest of the world than the already existing ones, including one that believes they are literally the chosen people of god?

And you don't have to agree with anything the Iranian government says or does. But if you betray Iran or collaborate with foreign powers for the sake of whatever half-baked ideas you may have, like you mentioned previously, then you are a traitor and should be treated as such.

Using or not using is one thing and having or not having is another thing, we say a mad man shouldn't have a gun, it is another thing that he will use it to kill his own family or other people.

I talked about 2009 elections because I saw from near how these mad people attacked their own people brutality, some days ago I asked my friends why no one complains about this disastrous economic situation in Iran and they replied no one dares to do it against this savage regime!

You can't call most of Iraqis and Afghans traitors because they didn't support Saddam and Taliban, the same thing can be said about Libyans and Gaddafi, and in the near future about Syrians and Assad, people who don't support an absolute dictator are not traitors.

[sursena]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

Using or not using is one thing and having or not having is another thing, we say a mad man shouldn't have a gun, it is another thing that he will use it to kill his own family or other people.

I talked about 2009 elections because I saw from near how these mad people attacked their own people brutality, some days ago I asked my friends why no one complains about this disastrous economic situation in Iran and they replied no one dares to do it against this savage regime!

You can't call most of Iraqis and Afghans traitors because they didn't support Saddam and Taliban, the same thing can be said about Libyans and Gaddafi, and in the near future about Syrians and Assad, people who don't support an absolute dictator are not traitors.

[sursena]

Originally Posted by Ahura_Mazda

EDITED

1 - YOU REALLY DONT KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BRAZIL. FIRST OF ALL, WE ARE NOT HISPANICS, YOU REALLY NEED TO STUDY.
2- Maya culture has NOTHING TO DO with BRAZIL. As a matter of fact, the Maya sites are so close to Brazil as Denmark to Iran.
3- "True" Argentinians? That's racism.

I dont have nothing against you but your ideas.

[abii]

Originally Posted by persian

There is no doubt that the regime is building nuclear weapons, hopefully they will be stopped before that happening.

You have no doubt or there IS no doubt? Who made you the decision maker my friend?

Even the top advisors in the US administration don't believe that Khamenei has made the decision and at the most they're after nuclear weapon's capability. Most recently Iran converted half of its 20% enriched uranium to oxide form and this will totally put a dent in any weaponization that you're saying Iran is persuing. Once you convert it it's easier to make a new batch than to convert it back. The Americans even acknowledged that this was a good step by Iran.

Even the biggest of the zionists clearly states that Iran isn't after nukes. Dr. Colin H. Kahl from the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) states clearly in this interview that Khamenei hasn't made the decision. This guy worked for the Obama administration and was an advisor to him prior to joining CNAS.

http://www.stimson.org/events/unders...ublic-opinion/

Don't be so extreme just to show you're against the regime. I'm against the regime too, but we're not in Iran and in the end Iranian people will decide what will happen.

Every poll conducted in the last decade has consistently shown that 90% of Iranians support the nuclear issue.

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/pos...ear_resistance

[abii]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

The worst thing for both Iranian people and other people in the region is that Iranian leaders get nuclear weapons, after the previous presidential election in 2009, they understood that they have absolutely no internal support, so their main purpose became to obtain nuclear weapons, I really prefer a foreign invasion than a nuclear-armed IRI.

Spoken like a true exile. I'm an "exile" myself so I know you. We all talk like this from time to time. By exile I mean we've lived so long outside Iran that we can't live back home anymore no matter how many times we visit and no matter how many times we stick the farvahar sign on our chest. Correct me if I'm wrong (if you're currently living in Iran), but seems not.

There are two clear trends in Iran. 90 percent of Iranians support the nuclear program (this is an established fact and you're gonna have to conduct your own polls in order to be able to talk against this). Out of that number a very big minority believes Iran should persue weapons. Now the most interesting part of all this is that the more educated you're, the more access you have to Sat TV and the internet, the more likely it's that you're in favour of a bomb. The more religous you're and the poorer you're the more likely it's that you're going to oppose a weapons program and support the official line of the regime. Watch this video for more information:

http://www.stimson.org/events/unders...ublic-opinion/

P.S. I didn't make this stuff up. These are based on 22 polls conducted in Iran in the past few years alone. The last of the bunch is from 3-4 weeks ago.

[abii]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

The undeniable fact is that Iran is already the most active state sponsor of terrorism in the world, a knife in the hand of a terrorist is very dangerous because this brainwashed person can cut one's head enjoyfully, it is better to not even think about the nuclear weapons.

Is this guy for real?

Extremism is a danger to logical thinking, here's a good case.

I'm a logical guy. If I see evidence, I accept the reality and move on. The evidence is showing that Iran is not spending even a percent of the money the Americans are spending on groups that serve to de-stabilize foreign governments. The Americans have funded every terrorist organization that has served their purpose and are continuing to do so. Just a few weeks ago they took the MKO off of their list. I'm sure you're not a mujahed are you? IF you aren't then you're not a logical human being b/c if you were you wouldn't come up with all the stuff you said.

Iran supports Hezbollah, Iran has supported Hamas, Iran has supported fringe elements in Iraq and AFG and they try to exert some ingfluence here and there as well. This to the Americans is child's play. Americans have funded and are funding fringe groups and terrorist groups in every single continent on the planet. From China, to Iran, Venezuela, cuba, Russia, Iraq... I can go on and on. The most famous example was the creation of the taliban back in the 80's.

I came to the West as a 12 year that wanted to fit in more than anything in the world. I understand what it means to be a foreigner growing up in the West. I however don't understand why some of us ex pat Iroonis try to stick to the most extreme elements of the societies that have adopted us in order to prove our alliance. I don't need to become an extremist to show that I'm a Canadian. I don't understand why you're becoming an extremist to prove you're loyal to your new country.

[soheilz]

Originally Posted by abii

You have no doubt or there IS no doubt? Who made you the decision maker my friend?

Even the top advisors in the US administration don't believe that Khamenei has made the decision and at the most they're after nuclear weapon's capability. Most recently Iran converted half of its 20% enriched uranium to oxide form and this will totally put a dent in any weaponization that you're saying Iran is persuing. Once you convert it it's easier to make a new batch than to convert it back. The Americans even acknowledged that this was a good step by Iran.

Even the biggest of the zionists clearly states that Iran isn't after nukes. Dr. Colin H. Kahl from the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) states clearly in this interview that Khamenei hasn't made the decision. This guy worked for the Obama administration and was an advisor to him prior to joining CNAS.

http://www.stimson.org/events/unders...ublic-opinion/

Don't be so extreme just to show you're against the regime. I'm against the regime too, but we're not in Iran and in the end Iranian people will decide what will happen.

Every poll conducted in the last decade has consistently shown that 90% of Iranians support the nuclear issue.

http://mideast.foreignpolicy.com/pos...ear_resistance

Nice! that's how to answer an idiot. With facts.

[soheilz]

I don't know what's wrong with Cyrus. He is as brainwashed and in denial as every neo-con warmonger in the West. abii has a point...Cyrus has gone off the deep-end and seems lost as an Iranian. There is NO evidence Iran is building or even has the intention of building a nuclear weapon. And as I stated earlier, no country has the right to tell another sovereign nation what to do. 'IF' Iran decided to build nuclear weapons, America, Israel, and even Cyrus, will have to bite the bullet and accept this fact.

But, this most likely won't happen. This imagined threat of a nuclear armed Iran, with the finger on the trigger, is completely hocus-pocus, made up by warmongers with self-interest in mind. Even Israel's chief of defense, Benny Gantz, admits Iran's leaders are rational players with no intention of building nuclear weapons, AND even more important, no intent to use one.