Future of iran!

[soheilz]

Obviously you are all over looking the fact that there are, unfortunately, many supporters of this islamic regime in Iran. Or else, the regime would not have been able to last this long. You say, "'Most people' in Iran want seperation of church and state." If most people were against this regime, there is no way it could get the proper support to survive. Clearly there are many (probably atleast half) of the nation, middle to low income, old, religiously conservative population that lend their support to khamenei. It's sad to say this, but the old and conservative have to die off, and give rise to a younger, more liberal overwhelming majority of the population in order for the IR to lose its stable support. OR, the young and ambitious can violently (or nonviolently) force a regime change internally.

[Parsbeer]

Originally Posted by soheilz

Obviously you are all over looking the fact that there are, unfortunately, many supporters of this islamic regime in Iran. Or else, the regime would not have been able to last this long. You say, "'Most people' in Iran want seperation of church and state." If most people were against this regime, there is no way it could get the proper support to survive. Clearly there are many (probably atleast half) of the nation, middle to low income, old, religiously conservative population that lend their support to khamenei. It's sad to say this, but the old and conservative have to die off, and give rise to a younger, more liberal overwhelming majority of the population in order for the IR to lose its stable support. OR, the young and ambitious can violently (or nonviolently) force a regime change internally.

See that's where your wrong, things arn't just as simple as that. Iran is a very complex country, also very rich, which means alot of power, that power is gained unfortunatly by a very few procent of filty people who control the country. as already said in this topic bullshit walks power talks. So it's also easy for them to bring thousands of people together from all over to make it look like they got alot of support.

And it's not the young one's that are just liberal, in fact most of them are that free thinking because their parents and even grandparents are to. Iranians have always been open minded and tolerant people. But then again it's easy to be confused when you dont know nothing about the country and see those filthy I.R. individuals in charge for 3 decennia now. Again Iran is complicated, you have to spent some time there to understand..

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by soheilz

Obviously you are all over looking the fact that there are, unfortunately, many supporters of this islamic regime in Iran. Or else, the regime would not have been able to last this long. You say, "'Most people' in Iran want seperation of church and state." If most people were against this regime, there is no way it could get the proper support to survive. Clearly there are many (probably atleast half) of the nation, middle to low income, old, religiously conservative population that lend their support to khamenei. It's sad to say this, but the old and conservative have to die off, and give rise to a younger, more liberal overwhelming majority of the population in order for the IR to lose its stable support. OR, the young and ambitious can violently (or nonviolently) force a regime change internally.

a report from the uni of zanjan shows that 70% want democracy
anyway that can be bs

ussr lasted for 80 years but majority were unhappy for a long time

when u have an army and power behind u , u stay in power for a long time

thats how it works

simple

[Cyrus]

It is not difficult to predict that Iran will fall in anarchy and chaos in the near future, we have to admit that sanctions have worked so well and the regime has really been paralyzed, as far as I know at least one half of the people have either lost their job or haven't received their salary for several months, their savings are not enough to continue this way for a long time, it is clear that Iranian leaders will never ignore their nuclear ambitions, so there is no hope for the future.

[Parsbeer]

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In the end it were people with guns which made the last regime collapse, so...

[soheilz]

...so thank you that is my damn point!

[sursena]

Originally Posted by koloftoo

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This is a struggle for the future of Iran and the lives of Iranians. Therefore it must be carried out by Iranians. If anybody chooses to resort to outside players in order to change the outcome to what they see fit, they are a traitor to that struggle, to Iran and to Iranians, and they should be treated as such.

OH MAN, it's such a SAD reality you live... Helloooooo, we are in the POSTMODERNITY (at least the humankind outside fundamentalists muslims countries and north korea) There is no "outside" anymore, we are just ONE BIG WORLD. Your words are so...old-fashioned!

[sursena]

THANKS GOD (if in fact there is one) that I was born in the New World. I would be enourmously glad if the Iranians, mainly the persecuted ones like the people against dictatorship, gays, sometime atheists, or whatelse, move to where I live in Rio de Janeiro and be my neighbour, so we could spend time talking about the forest, the sun, beach, women, guys and some other problems like global warm, animals being extincted, climate change, corruption around the world, the inequality of income, etc.... and not about war and persecutions.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

nationality and blood never dies my friend, thinking that just because u are in a modern world, u have to forget the your closest people is backwards


if we are one big world, we wouldnt all be fighting with eachother, as sad as it may seem, the world is in such chaos, people are dieing and sadly we are getting further and further away from a world where everybody is happy

[Cyrus]

I doubt that Iranians repeat their mistake, the more possible thing is that they support a foreign invasion.

[persian]

Originally Posted by Cyrus

I think there are three options about the near future of Iran, especially by considering the recent economic and nuclear issues:

1. The current regime stays in power and continues its way.
2. A popular uprising and probably a civil war, like in Syria.
3. A foreign invasion and some unknown later events.

Which one do you think will happen?

option 2 hasn't got a chance until the south of Tehran starts protesting and I don't see that happening any time soon.

So between 1 and 3 I would definitely go for 3, as I believe the damage of IR staying in power each day is a lot more than a foreign invasion.

[SoroushPersepolisi]

south tehran is already was protesting, as did many other cities

u have to give up the cliche divisions

iran is very mixed now khar to khare

[sursena]

Originally Posted by SoroushPersepolisi

nationality and blood never dies my friend, thinking that just because u are in a modern world, u have to forget the your closest people is backwards


if we are one big world, we wouldnt all be fighting with eachother, as sad as it may seem, the world is in such chaos, people are dieing and sadly we are getting further and further away from a world where everybody is happy

"nationality and blood never dies"?????? It is such a racist thought. WOW. Nationality is just a convention, and "blood", excuse me, but we all have the same blood. But if you are talking about DNA I assure you that every human being is the result of a mixture of people. Couldnt you engage an east asian girl or man? Or have a children with an european person for example because you has "another blood"?
Unfortunately your thought is not uncommon in the Old world of eurasia...

[persian]

Originally Posted by SoroushPersepolisi

south tehran is already was protesting, as did many other cities

u have to give up the cliche divisions

iran is very mixed now khar to khare

I don't recall seeing any protest in southern parts of Tehran in recent years.

[soheilz]

Oh by the way, to all the people who want a foreign invasion...IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. really the only country strong enough and willing to attack Iran is the USA. And that is not going to happen. The economy here is terrible right now, we are in a HUGE budget deficit and would not be able to afford another war, especially a war that would not only have a massive economic cost, but also a massive loss of lives. If the US could afford it, and thought hundreds of thousands of American lives weren't at risk, then we would have attacked sometime in the last decade. That is why it has not happened yet, and will not happen anytime in the near future.

SO STOP BEING A TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND APPRECIATE THE LIVES YOU DO HAVE!!!!

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by sursena

"nationality and blood never dies"?????? It is such a racist thought. WOW. Nationality is just a convention, and "blood", excuse me, but we all have the same blood. But if you are talking about DNA I assure you that every human being is the result of a mixture of people. Couldnt you engage an east asian girl or man? Or have a children with an european person for example because you has "another blood"?
Unfortunately your thought is not uncommon in the Old world of eurasia...

yea yea make up random claims i never made
by blood i dont mean the molecular structure of blood
im talking about ur identity

and thats important
when did i say u cant marry with another nationality ???

if u think its "old" well maybe because ur country is young
there is already enough gang violence and killing in your cities so instead of being concerned about us and europe go fix your own problems
man, u make everyone be angry at u for no reason

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by persian

I don't recall seeing any protest in southern parts of Tehran in recent years.

there were protests a while back regarding the oil price shifts i believe

and alot of the 2009 protests happened in the central-central south area, people from all around came

not to mention in varzeshgahs mostly payin shahri ppl come and allu here them say is naseza at basij and sepah lol

[SoroushPersepolisi]

Originally Posted by soheilz

Oh by the way, to all the people who want a foreign invasion...IT'S NEVER GONNA HAPPEN. really the only country strong enough and willing to attack Iran is the USA. And that is not going to happen. The economy here is terrible right now, we are in a HUGE budget deficit and would not be able to afford another war, especially a war that would not only have a massive economic cost, but also a massive loss of lives. If the US could afford it, and thought hundreds of thousands of American lives weren't at risk, then we would have attacked sometime in the last decade. That is why it has not happened yet, and will not happen anytime in the near future.

SO STOP BEING A TRAITOR TO YOUR OWN COUNTRY AND APPRECIATE THE LIVES YOU DO HAVE!!!!

thats true lol

[Cyrus]

The US is not alone, some weeks ago 30 other countries also participated in a military exercise against Iran in the Persian gulf, the important point is that instability in the Middle East is one of the main threats to the economy of the world, motsly because oil and petroleum products which are very crucial for the transportation, industrial purpose, ... as sursena somehow said, some people still don't know that we all live in the same world and all economies depend on each other.

So those who love Iranian Mullahs can't be happy for a long time, you can be sure that other countries will never allow them to build nuclear weapons, a military invasion is just one of their options.

[sursena]

Originally Posted by SoroushPersepolisi

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Yes, my country is young... lol... I've heard a few times in the old world about "my country is old" Some people suffer from some pathological condition to think they are the embodiment of the country.
Excuse me, I am talking about Asia, about Iran, not europe. And while Iran threatens world peace, that is a much bigger problem.