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Old January 31st, 2012, 10:13 AM   #21
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Its an interesting question. Madrid obviously springs to mind. How about Cologne? With all the surrounding cities, there surely must be a good lot of the infrastructure needed, eg the equestrian centre in Aachen.
Berlin is in the way. What I mean is that Germany logically made a bid with Berlin for the 2000 Olympics, in the hopes of bringing in the high of 10 years since reunification, sharp difference to the 1936 games and celebrating the new millennium. They lost to Sydney of course.

Then comes Leipzig 2012. After winning the right to bid from cities Dusseldorf, Frankfurt, Hamburg and Stuttgart (note Cologne never made a bid), they failed to reach Candidate stage based on 2 factors. They barely made the score, scoring 6.0 even and with already too many European cities making it through they were naturally not selected. The bid team naturally hoped that by proposing the large city in Eastern Germany, it would have given the much needed boost to the East German economy that it desperately needed.

Currently they're (Germany) is focusing on the Winter Olympics with the failed Munich 2018 bid and an expected 2022 bid from Munich.

Any future bid from Germany (Summer Olympics that is), will most likely be for Berlin. They'll use the venues built since the 2000 bid and propose something far stronger. Any other city bid would essentially be "less" than any potential Berlin bid, even if one takes into account the 2nd tier or even 3rd tier German city they are.

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Old January 31st, 2012, 12:46 PM   #22
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Berlin wasn't ready for the 2000 games, the city has changed so much since the bid process for the 2000 games(20 years ago). I guess the city could be ready for the 2028 or 2032 games.

Berlin shouldn't bid for the 2036 games, the 100th anniversary of the Nazi Olympics in the city would be a bad idea.
Tel Aviv as the host of the 2036 games would be nice

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Istanbul is ready and big enough to host the games, Madrid is ready as well, but Spain had the 1992 games!

Cities like Sarajevo, Lisboa and Dublin are far too small for the games!
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Old January 31st, 2012, 03:24 PM   #23
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I would say Manchester as it has quite a few venues in place from the Commonwealth Games in 2002 and Glasgow considering they're gearing up for the Commonwealth Games in 2014. Obviously they'll have to sort out a large enough athletics stadium.
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Old January 31st, 2012, 05:12 PM   #24
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Cities like Sarajevo, Lisboa and Dublin are far too small for the games!
Lisboa with 2.8 and Dublin with 1.8 are too small?
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Old January 31st, 2012, 05:40 PM   #25
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Lisboa with 2.8 and Dublin with 1.8 are too small?
Yes, they are nice cities but they are not in the same league as:

Rio de Janerio (2016) 11.5 million
London (2012) 7.6 million
Beijing (2008) 10.8 million
Athens (2004) 3.2 million
Syndey (2000) 4.4 million
Atlanta (1996) 4.3 million
Barcelona (1992) 4.4 million
Seoul (1988) 9.6 million
Los Angeles (1984) 12.1 million
Moscow (1980) 10.7 million

Of those host cities, only Athens is in the same league as Lisbon and we all know why Athens was chosen to host the games. Dublin is the 188th largest metro area (city only 523,00) which is hardly Olympic caliber.

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Old January 31st, 2012, 10:13 PM   #26
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Berlin wasn't ready for the 2000 games, the city has changed so much since the bid process for the 2000 games(20 years ago). I guess the city could be ready for the 2028 or 2032 games.

Berlin shouldn't bid for the 2036 games, the 100th anniversary of the Nazi Olympics in the city would be a bad idea.
Tel Aviv as the host of the 2036 games would be nice

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Istanbul is ready and big enough to host the games, Madrid is ready as well, but Spain had the 1992 games!

Cities like Sarajevo, Lisboa and Dublin are far too small for the games!
Yet Berlin went ahead with it's velodrome, main arena and minor arena even though it lost the 2000 bid.

All they really needed to do was renovate some venues, build an indoor pool to compliment the 1936 outdoor one (they should have just used the 1 existing venue to save on money), do the 2006 World Cup renovations to the Olympic Stadium earlier and the new venues I said already.

I have the bid books, a good number of venues were there, sound transport, etc. If Sydney had not bid, then it would definitely be Berlin over Beijing.
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Old January 31st, 2012, 10:20 PM   #27
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Madrid and Istanbul for sure
Warsaw and Milan maybe
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Old January 31st, 2012, 11:56 PM   #28
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Yes, they are nice cities but they are not in the same league as:

Rio de Janerio (2016) 11.5 million
London (2012) 7.6 million
Beijing (2008) 10.8 million
Athens (2004) 3.2 million
Syndey (2000) 4.4 million
Atlanta (1996) 4.3 million
Barcelona (1992) 4.4 million
Seoul (1988) 9.6 million
Los Angeles (1984) 12.1 million
Moscow (1980) 10.7 million

Of those host cities, only Athens is in the same league as Lisbon and we all know why Athens was chosen to host the games. Dublin is the 188th largest metro area (city only 523,00) which is hardly Olympic caliber.
In that case, we'll be repeating over and over again just half a dozen cities in Europe.

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If Sydney had not bid, then it would definitely be Berlin over Beijing.
I don't think so:

1st ballot/ 2nd / 3rd / 4th

Sydney: 30/30/37/45
Beijing: 32/37/40/43
Manchester: 11/13/11/--
Berlin: 9/9/--/--
Istanbul: 7/--/--/--
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Old February 1st, 2012, 01:06 AM   #30
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Old February 1st, 2012, 01:51 AM   #31
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Madrid and Istanbul for sure
Warsaw and Milan maybe
I don't think Warsaw and Milan could be valuable solutions.
Warsaw has just renovated the Stadion Narodowy for EURO 2012, but now there's no longer the athletics track so that they need to build a new one.
Ditto for the city of Milan: Giuseppe Meazza stadium is one of the most impressive european stadium but it is a football specific stadium.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 02:50 AM   #32
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I don't think Warsaw and Milan could be valuable solutions.
Warsaw has just renovated the Stadion Narodowy for EURO 2012, but now there's no longer the athletics track so that they need to build a new one.
Ditto for the city of Milan: Giuseppe Meazza stadium is one of the most impressive european stadium but it is a football specific stadium.
I think the italians are rid of stadiums with athletic. I think there is zero need also. They are a football nation and it makes much more sense to host a wc or ec, so they can push forward and remove they're hated athletic stadium and build new one like in Torino.


I would love to see olympia in Hamburg, Dublin, Vienna, Prag, Budapest or Stockholm. All beautiful, charming cities which would stop the the trend of gigantissimo olympic games.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 05:06 AM   #33
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Ok let's take a look at Paris:
  • Olympic Village: Cité Universitaire Internationale de Paris
  • Ceremonies: Stade de France 81K
  • Athletics: Stade de France 76K
  • Football: Stade France 76K, Parc des Princes 48K, Stade Charléty 20K, Stade Jean Bouin 20K (u/c), etc.
  • Cycling-Track: Vélodrome National de St-Quentin (near Versailles) 5K (u/c)
  • BMX: National Cycling center (St-Quentin), BMX Hall (u/c)
  • Cycling-Mountain Bike: National Cycling center (St-Quentin), Mountain Bike Park (u/c)
  • Tennis: Roland Garros/French Open 15K+10K+5K+3K etc (under redevelopment/expansion)
  • Volleyball: Palais des Sports de Paris 5K
  • Gymnastics: Bercy Arena 15K
  • Basketball: Bercy Arena 18K (under redevelopment/expansion), Stade Pierre de Coubertin 5K
  • Hand Ball: halle Carpentier 8K
  • Boxing: Palais des sports de Levallois 6K
  • Badminton: Salle Charpy 2K
  • Table Tennis: Palais des Sports d'Issy: 3K
  • Archery: Croix Catelan (Bois de Boulogne)
  • Shooting: Croix Catelan (Bois de Boulogne)
  • Beach Volleyball: Champs de Mars (Tour Eiffel) 10K (temporary stands)
  • Equestrian: Longchamps (Bois de Boulogne) or Chateau de Versailles
  • Fencing: Grand Palais 9K (temporary stands)
  • Wrestling: Zénith de Paris 8K
  • Weightlifting: Palais des Congrès, Grand Auditorium 4K
  • Hockey: Hippodrome d'Auteuil, Hockey stadium (Bois de Boulogne, temporary stands; u/c)
  • Judo: National Judo Centre 4K
  • Teakwondo: National Judo Centre 4K
  • Sailing: La Rochelle (Charentes)
  • Rowing: Centre Nautique de Vaires-sur-Marne (near Disneyland Paris; u/c) or Seine River
  • Canoe: Centre Nautique de Vaires-sur-Marne (u/c)
  • Water Polo: Paris Exhibition Center 7K (temporary)
  • Swimming/diving: (???)

Voilà !

Add to that list the approved projects:
  • Olympic Aquatic Center, Aubervilliers near Stade de France (opening: 2015): 17K (outdoor pool) + 7K (indoor pool)
  • Arena 92, La Défense (rugby stadium equipped with a retractable roof, opening: 2014): 35K, 25K for indoor sports. (could eventually be splitted into 2 smaller indoor arenas)
  • National Handball Arena, Colombes (opening: 2016): 8K

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Old February 1st, 2012, 08:19 AM   #34
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I don't think so:

1st ballot/ 2nd / 3rd / 4th

Sydney: 30/30/37/45
Beijing: 32/37/40/43
Manchester: 11/13/11/--
Berlin: 9/9/--/--
Istanbul: 7/--/--/--
No I mean, Berlin (or alternatively Beijing) would have been the one to beat. Sydney's bid obviously made things tougher and rightfully so.

But if no Australian city had made a bid, then the 2 cities to beat would indeed be Berlin and Beijing and they would have been fighting each other to the death.

In spite of the actual voting results, I think Berlin would have bettered Manchester (I'm surprised that they didn't, but I guess it's just some IOC members giving Manchester a chance since it was their 2nd consecutive bid) if of course Sydney was not in the picture. It might have even beat Beijing due to inexperience and human rights issues too.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 11:05 AM   #36
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I would say Manchester as it has quite a few venues in place from the Commonwealth Games in 2002 and Glasgow considering they're gearing up for the Commonwealth Games in 2014. Obviously they'll have to sort out a large enough athletics stadium.
There's a big difference between the Commonwealth Games and Olympic Games though. Manchester has an Olympic-standard velodrome, indoor arena (MEN) and exhibition hall (Manchester Central) as well as two soccer stadia (Old Trafford and Etihad) but would need a brand new 80,000-seat athletics stadium and an Olympic-standard swimming pool and lots more indoor venues.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 11:46 AM   #37
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Although Manchester does have a velodrome conforming to UCI standards, it would need to be enlarged for an Olympics. Alternatively, they could just build a new one and propose the existing one to serve as a training venue.

Manchester proposed it's 80,000 seater Olympic Stadium concept for the 2002 Commonwealth Games. That obviously didn't turn out and the design was scaled back, and left with one "open" end to allow for football specific conversion post Commonweal Games. So using the existing City of Manchester Stadium in a expanded state is non feasible.

If Manchester were to bid, use the wealth of your existing venues and propose a downsized Olympic Stadium, some temporary indoor arenas, perhaps a new exhibition centre to serve as MPC and a new aquatics centre.

I think an Olympics might be a little to big for Manchester, especially since most of the legacy venues are already there.
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Umm aren't half the posts here irrelevant? As the thread title says cities to host for the FIRST time.
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Old February 1st, 2012, 02:37 PM   #40
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There's a big difference between the Commonwealth Games and Olympic Games though. Manchester has an Olympic-standard velodrome, indoor arena (MEN) and exhibition hall (Manchester Central) as well as two soccer stadia (Old Trafford and Etihad) but would need a brand new 80,000-seat athletics stadium and an Olympic-standard swimming pool and lots more indoor venues.
I know. No city which hasnt hosted before would be 100% ready. It takes a period of 7 years from wining a bid to hosting the Games. I meant in reference to the thread title, Manchester could be one of the more ready Cities without much notice.
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