[LT] Photos of Lithuania

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Curonian spit nature



























Vecekrugo kopa - this dune is highest in all Curonian spit. 67,2 m

Views from this dune





lighthouse in man-made island in Curonian lagoon near Pervalka village



Preila village from Vecekrugo dune



Restorated old cemetery



Crosses with lithuanian names, signs of minor Lithuania.



Typical house in this area

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XVIII c. monastery with church in Liškiava village, which is located in South Lithuania on the left Nemunas river bank.















View from monastery to mound, there are two mounds, on the one of them, was started but not finished castle

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Trakai

Former most important city in Grand Duchy of Lithuania after Vilnius in XV c.

Visting card of Lithuania, Trakai island castle which built in 1409, primary residental castle in all Grand Duchy of Lithuania at this time. Castle built by Vytautas the Great who was born here.



but about this castle later, because there is another castle here, older then this, built in XIV c. by Grand Duke Kęstutis.

As you understood Trakai has two castles:

Island castle
Peninsular castle

Firstly photos from here









View from ruins to Užutrakis manor













View of castle in XIV-XV c.

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Buivydžiai church


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Šventoji bridge


http://fotokudra.lt/files/I709323.jpg by Rolandas Sutkus

[dj4life]

Great pictures of the coastal areas of Lithuania. You rock, Depeched!

[Depeched]

Thank you,

Pažaislis monastery,built in XVII c. .North Europe baroque miracle


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[Varsben]

Originally Posted by depeched

Kybartai - town in south west Lithuania near border of occupied East Prussia - Kaliningrad Oblast.

What do you mean by calling the Kaliningrad Oblast "occupied East Prussia"?

Chapel built in 1922 by architect Vivulskis

You probably have in mind the Polish architect Antoni Wiwulski (1877-1919). How could he have possibly built anything in 1922?

[Depeched]

Originally Posted by Varsben

What do you mean by calling the Kaliningrad Oblast "occupied East Prussia"?



You probably have in mind the Polish architect Antoni Wiwulski (1877-1919). How could he have possibly built anything in 1922?

1. Because this area was "transferred" for Soviet Union in 1945 for 50 years. Now this area owned for Russia illegaly but no one is talking about it. You know ...gas and other things.

2. Yes, of course, he is Polish-Lithuanian architect. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni_Wiwulski) Šiluva chapel was built afer his death.

[Varsben]

Originally Posted by Depeched

1. Because this area was "transferred" for Soviet Union in 1945 for 50 years. Now this area owned for Russia illegaly but no one is talking about it. You know ...gas and other things.

The issue is much more complicated and very sensitive. I shall say no more on this because it's OT, but I recommend that you avoid remarks that some might consider politically inflammatory, as your thread about Lithuania's city- and landscapes is interesting enough without such remarks.

2. Yes, of course, he is Polish-Lithuanian architect. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoni_Wiwulski) Šiluva chapel was built afer his death.

Interestingly, Lithuanians as a rule keep "Lithuanising" the names and calling "Polish-Lithuanian" or even simply "Lithuanian" all the outstanding Polish-speaking artists, architects, scientists etc., who were only born in areas today owned by Lithuania and/or created all/some of their work there, but otherwise had nothing to do with today's Lithuanian nationalist identity, nor with its language. That is the case of Wiwulski, among many others. Even if some of those people called themselves "Lithuanians" (as our Nobel-prize winner Czesław Miłosz did, for example) it was a self-identification very different from the sense it is attributed in today's Lithuania.

I wonder what would you say if I called Mikalojus Konstantinas Ciurlionis "Mikołaj Konstanty Czurlanis, an outstanding Lithuanian-Polish composer and painter". After all, he was educated in Warsaw, he died there, and until the age of 32 he spoke only Polish, not even a word of Lithuanian. You'll probably reply that all that has secondary importance, because Ciurlionis was a fierce Lithuanian patriot. But Wiwulski was a fierce Polish patriot on his own right.

Also interestingly, that "lithuanisation" of names does not seem to apply to Germans who lived and/or worked in Lithuania. You mentioned the architect Glaubitz and the writer Sudermann, for example. Why didn't you Lithuanise their names?

Church architect - Tomas Žebrauskas. He worked in this town college. Built in 1763.

You probably had in mind the Polish jesuit, astronomer and architect Tomasz Żebrowski (1714-1758), founder of the Wilno (Vilnius) Astronomic Observatory. To suggest that he was "Lithuanian" in today's sense, is as if I called Gabriel Fahrenheit "Polish" (because he was born in Gdańsk).

Firstly, smaller town but very important - Kražiai

During Grand Duchy of Lithuania times it was one of most important cultural centre in Samogitia.

Here was built first church in all this region. - 1416, now left just small ruins and belfry. Burnt during first days of WWII.

You probably had in mind the first days of Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union in June 1941. Well, WWII had begun much earlier, specifically on 1 September 1939, when Germany attacked Poland.

[anlukas]

from wiki.:Antoni Wiwulski:
In 1919, despite suffering from tuberculosis, he volunteered for the Polish militia (Lithuanian and Belarusian Self-Defence) and took part in the defence of Vilnius against the Bolshevik assault in the early stages of the Polish-Bolshevik War. He contracted pneumonia while on guard in the Vilnius' suburb of Užupis.[5][6] After his death he was buried in the cellars beneath the church he had designed. When it was converted by the Soviets into a Palace of the Construction Workers in 1964 his ashes were moved to Rasos Cemetery.[7]
Probably He fought with Bolshevik's and their allies lithuanians.These Lithuanian architect

[Depeched]

Omg, again and again...

Please read and think about it, there is no answer to your questions no more:

Chauvinism

It is a same, if I should say, why you recalled Jogaila to Jagiełło or Vytautas to Vitold, Algirdas to Olgierd, Vilnius to Wilno, Kaunas to Kowno, Suvalkai to Suwalki, others like German Danzig to Gdansk, Breslau to Wroclaw, Allenstein to Olsztyn . By the way, people like Žebrauskas, Vivulskis, Kamarauskas, Romeris, Mickevičius, Sirokomlė and others called themselves as Lithuanians. For all of them Lithuania was their homeland and for your sadness, many of them knew Lithuanian language. People please stop this sh...t. It looks like that this nation (you know what I am talking about) is simmilar to pre war Germany nazis. Because always thse same, or we are talking about Germany or Lithuania or Latvia, or Russia, or Ukraine.

[vilniusguide]

Originally Posted by anlukas

from wiki.:Antoni Wiwulski:
In 1919, despite suffering from tuberculosis, he volunteered for the Polish militia (Lithuanian and Belarusian Self-Defence) and took part in the defence of Vilnius against the Bolshevik assault in the early stages of the Polish-Bolshevik War. He contracted pneumonia while on guard in the Vilnius' suburb of Užupis.[5][6] After his death he was buried in the cellars beneath the church he had designed. When it was converted by the Soviets into a Palace of the Construction Workers in 1964 his ashes were moved to Rasos Cemetery.[7]
Probably He fought with Bolshevik's and their allies lithuanians.These Lithuanian architect

Yes, right, Lithuanians- Bolshevik allies and Poles were proto-Nazi allies?:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinsk_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vilna_o...#Jewish_deaths

Dear anlukas, You are a pure genius! Yes, the guy knew Polish language TOO. I know some Polish, Landzbergis know, Adamkus, Grybauskaitė also. We are all Poles now, goddamn!
Vivulskis was born to Samogitian parents in exile in Western Russia, then Russian empire. He also knew Russian. Later he moved to Lithuania and from there - to Latvia. In Jelgava he finished GERMAN language school (pure Polish patriot!!!). He also learned Latin and Greek there. Soon he went to Vienna and later to France to continue his studies. For 1/3 of his live he was living in Germanophone, 1/5 in Francophone and almost half - in Russian environment. He returned to Vilna (then Russian Empire). Here he was participant of the LITHUANIAN art exhibition (there was also Russian, Polish ones, so his choice was OBVIOUS and UNQUESTIONABLE) with Žmuidzinavičius, Čiurlionis, Petras Rimša. His other best friends were: Petras Kalpokas, Jurgis Šlapelis, Juozas Tumas, M. Jurgaitis. How they spoke among themselves? OMG, nooo, they spoke in L.... LITHUANIAN
Rimša, Vivulskis' friends priests Sabaliauskas, Špakevičius have written his biographies already in the 30s and told there how he always thought of himself only as Lithuanian.
Vivulskis words: "I will work for LITHUANIA: Poles have a lot of artists, Lithuanians need them." (Nijolė Lukšionytė-Tolvaišienė "Antanas Vivulskis 1877-1919 Tradicijų ir modernumo dermė", Vilnius, 2002)
Will you object HIS OWN words?
Soon (in 1908) he joined the Lithuanian-language society "Lituania".
How the hell you made a Pole of him?
In 1918 the German Occupational authorities gave the city keys to Lietuvos Taryba. Vivulskis was defending the city against the reds and died in Vilnius, that was yet not occupied by Poland. During the occupation of the city in 1920-1939 (88 113 Polish colonists were brought to the city from the ethnic Poland from as far as various proszowices'), Poles were so lame, that they couldn't finish 90%-built church of Vivulskis, so that it couldn't be made into soviet box by the Russians as unfinished building,- this is how they respected the Greatest Lithuanian Art Nouveau Architect and now you dare to try to steal him?

And Stephen Bathory was speaking Latin (never learned Polish). Was he Roman Stephanus Bathorelis? Hungarian Báthory István? Noo! Pole - Stefan Batory - król Polski, period

[vilniusguide]

Originally Posted by Varsben

Interestingly, Lithuanians as a rule keep "Lithuanising" the names and calling "Polish-Lithuanian" or even simply "Lithuanian" all the outstanding Polish-speaking artists, architects, scientists etc., who were only born in areas today owned by Lithuania and/or created all/some of their work there, but otherwise had nothing to do with today's Lithuanian nationalist identity, nor with its language. That is the case of Wiwulski, among many others. Even if some of those people called themselves "Lithuanians" (as our Nobel-prize winner Czesław Miłosz did, for example) it was a self-identification very different from the sense it is attributed in today's Lithuania.

Polish speaking, polish speaking

Meilutytė. Lives in the UK, attends English school, speaks English. 100% not Lithuanian.


Ilja Laurs. Definitely not Lithuanian. A Pole.


Violeta Urmanavičiūtė. Singing in La Scala, living in Italy, in her daily life speaks Italian.


about Urmana: http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2006...musicandopera1

Drevinskas. Lives in Germany for more than 10 years, in his daily life uses German.

http://www.theater-saarbruecken.de/ensemble/opera/chanteurs-solistes/algirdas-drevinskas.html?L=1

Jazerskytė. Lives in Holland for 13 years. Rarely speak Lithuanian, prefers dancing to speaking that language.


Anusauskaitė - speaks English, living in New York.


Pianist Rubackytė - speaking French, living in France. But her playing is very Polish, she could be Pole. Also she probably plays Chopin that make her a 100% Polish.


Bestseller writer Rūta Šepetys. Likes speaking English where she lives (the U.S.A.).
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The Godfather of American Avant-Garde cinema. Jonas Mekas. Speaks English, lives in the U.S.A.


These all, as you see, are NOT Lithuanians, as they speak other languages daily, but those chauvinist Lithuanians trying to steal them.

Now go tell the Irish, that all their outstanding figures are actually English.
Tell the Austrians they are actually Germans.
Tell the Estonians and Finns they are Swedes and Russians
Tell the Greeks they are all Turkish as well as all their prominent cultural figures.
Go tell Slovaks all their cultural figures through the history were... Hungarian!

I wonder what would you say if I called Mikalojus Konstantinas Ciurlionis "Mikołaj Konstanty Czurlanis, an outstanding Lithuanian-Polish composer and painter". After all, he was educated in Warsaw, he died there, and until the age of 32 he spoke only Polish, not even a word of Lithuanian. You'll probably reply that all that has secondary importance, because Ciurlionis was a fierce Lithuanian patriot. But Wiwulski was a fierce Polish patriot on his own right.

Yes, sure, and Felix_Dzerzhinsky was fierce Polish patriot also!
Čiurlionis was Lithuanian-German, not Lithuanian-Polish.
His mother was German and father - dzūkas (Aukshtaitian Lithuanian people with their own dialect) from Dzūkija.
Also to call all the people, who spoke or knew Polish - Poles is as stupid as to call Indians, Pakistanis, Irish or us here - English and not more smart than to call 13th century England a French state (they spoke French after all!!!!), the churches and castles of that period - "French heritage in The Great Britain" as You, Poles, always whine about Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine and create such threads on this forum.

Also interestingly, that "lithuanisation" of names does not seem to apply to Germans who lived and/or worked in Lithuania. You mentioned the architect Glaubitz and the writer Sudermann, for example. Why didn't you Lithuanise their names?

No, goddamn, not Glaubitz, but Marcin Knakfus, Krzysztof Bonadura Starszy, Franciszek Maria Lanci and Wawrzyniec Cezary Anichini... and of course Jan Krzysztof Glaubiczewicz!!
When the figure is ethnic Pole like Central Poland-born Piotr Skarga - let it be, but Laurynas Gucevičius, a kid of Lithuanian peasants from Biržai - a Pole?
Are you f** kidding me? C'mon, what is wrong with this megalomania of trying of the total POLONIZATION of the history of Belarus, Lithuania, Ukraine and ALL the prominent persons of this Nations?

COMMONWEALTH was NOT an ETHNIC Polish state, is it so hard to understand???
Would You call Gandhi and Rob Roy MacGregor - English and El Hachemi Guerouabi - French???

When the Lithuanian-born Lithuanian write his name or at least something in Polish, that automatically make him into Pole? Then i will write something: Cześć, mam na imię Dariusz. Great, now, I am Pole at last, You could claim me after some 50 or 100 years, but save this sentence somewhere.

You probably had in mind the Polish jesuit, astronomer and architect Tomasz Żebrowski (1714-1758), founder of the Wilno (Vilnius) Astronomic Observatory. To suggest that he was "Lithuanian" in today's sense, is as if I called Gabriel Fahrenheit "Polish" (because he was born in Gdańsk).

Oh My superheavygoatass!!! Please show us the documents with the exact date, then this ethnic Pole or his Poles ancestors came to Samogitia and settled there.
I saw his documents written in Latin, wasn't he actually Roman - Thomas Zebrowski?
Reading carefully through Lithuanian Statutes (eh, Polish translations of the documents), you will find something for Yourself also. The Statutes!

[anlukas]

Poland and Poles in Lithuania arouse hatred, thank goodness only 3 million Lithuanians.

[Iluminat]

Seems like another fascinating discussion is starting

[katsuma]

Originally Posted by anlukas

from wiki.:Antoni Wiwulski:
In 1919, despite suffering from tuberculosis, he volunteered for the Polish militia (Lithuanian and Belarusian Self-Defence) and took part in the defence of Vilnius against the Bolshevik assault in the early stages of the Polish-Bolshevik War. (...)

Some other minor details: Wiwulski father's family held the Polish coat of arms Prus III; the inscriptions on his tomb in Vilnius are in his native language, i.e. Polish.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_cemetery.jpg

Originally Posted by Depeched

Omg, again and again...

Please read and think about it, there is no answer to your questions no more:

Chauvinism

(...)

Omg, those Lithuanians again and again...

Originally Posted by Iluminat

Seems like another fascinating discussion is starting

Fcuk yeah!

[vilniusguide]

Originally Posted by katsuma

Some other minor details: Wiwulski father's family held the Polish coat of arms Prus III; the inscriptions on his tomb in Vilnius are in his native language, i.e. Polish.

You again?
Already settled your chauvinist business with Ukrainians, Germans and Jews?

Vivulskis' father (born in Russian Empire, Samogitia) was Samogitian and probably never been to Poland just like his father or his father's father. But without a doubt his Samogitian dialect-speaking grand-grandpa (born in the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, Samogitia) had Latin Birth and Death metrics and his grand-grand--grand-grandpa had Cyrilic documents.
Wasn't they actually Romans or Bulgarians???
Show us all, then these ethnic Poles came to Samogitia from ethinic Poland- Mazovia or some Szrzaszranszkowszczyzna or the case is closed.

Back to Vivulskis.
AGAIN. Do you object Vivulskis' own words and his own choices???


Further reading to You, find out more: http://www.patogupirkti.lt/Dalykine-...umo-derme.html

There were no Vivulskis tomb as he was re-burried in 1963.
Vivulskis tomb inscription was made and put semi-illegally in 1998 by the Polish organization.

Originally Posted by katsuma

Omg, those Lithuanians again and again...

Falanga n*zi, have you seen the name of the thread? It is "Lithuania" not "Poland" or "The Great Poland" or "Mendzymorzhe" or "Poland strong. The Emipre of Polska." or "The castle of Witold, the Great Pole and other Polish heritage in Litwa" and here is actually no one interested in the complexes of Poles, naming all the prominent Belarusians, Ukrainians and Lithuanians - Poles.

Originally Posted by katsuma

Fcuk yeah!

Heck no, sit to Your malucha and go back to your village.

[katsuma]

Amen.

Actually, now I feel sorry for my participation in spoiling your thread. Please carry on.

PS. The picture of "my malucha" was very good. Lots of fun. I like.

PS2. Oh, I forgot to ask. Me no speak Lithuanian, so can you tell me what that poster is about and how it relates to Wiwulski?