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Old June 18th, 2012, 06:13 PM   #641
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Untuk budaya jawa, mari ambil contoh Suriname, orang jawa Suriname bangga dengan adat jawanya dan mereka mengamalkannya sebagai warisan budaya jawa bukan warisan budaya surinam, sedangkan di malaysia reog tersebut diiktiraf sebagai warisan budaya alam melayu yang ada di tanah malaysia, mungkin "alam melayu" itulah yg menjadi sebab penolakan warga indonesia khusus etnis jawa pada masa itu, karena jelas definisi melayu di indonesia berbeda dengan di malaysia
Bagi saya sendiri budaya itu mengikut orang atau kelompok kaum, bukan kewarganegaraan, tapi perlu diketahui juga darimana asal usul kaum tersebut berasal
Seperti orang Batak yang selalu menyebut Tanah Batak di Sumatera Utara sebagai Bonapasogit meskipun mereka sudah tersebar kemana-mana
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KBRI Kuala Lumpur: Soal Tari Tor Tor ada Kesalahpahaman

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Tari Tor Tor dan Gondang Sambilan hanya dicatatkan bukan diklaim sebagai hak milik Malaysia.

Heboh tari Tor-tor dan Gondang Sambilan milik komunitas Mandailing yang akan segera diakui sebagai warisan budaya nasional Malaysia merupakan kesalahpahaman mengenai pengertian warisan dan bahasa.

"Jadi ini merupakan kesalahpahaman," kata Kepala Bidang Penerangan, Sosial, Budaya KBRI untuk Malaysia, Suryana Sastradiredja di Kuala Lumpur, Senin (18/6).

Suryana mengaku telah menghubungi pihak Kementerian Penerangan, Komunikasi, Kebudayaan Malaysia dan juga Persatuan Masyarakat Mandailing di Malaysia yang memperoleh jawaban bahwa mereka tidak punya maksud untuk mengklaim tari Tor-tor dan Gondang Sambilan ini milik Malaysia.

Ia mengatakan, yang dimaksud akta warisan budaya menurut ketentuan di Malaysia adalah pencatatan terhadap warisan budaya yang dimiliki oleh orang-orang Mandailing Malaysia yang asal-usulnya dari Mandailing, Sumatra Utara, Indonesia."Akta warisan kebangsaan tersebut hanya mencatat asal-usul dan bukan untuk mengklaim budaya Mandailing berasal dari Malaysia," kata Suryana.

Ia menerangkan masyarakat Mandailing sudah datang ke negeri semenanjung ini sejak ratusan tahun lalu dan sudah beranak cucu.

Tentunya, keberadaan mereka di negara ini menginginkan seni dan budaya mereka ditampilkan di Malaysia.
sumber : http://www.beritasatu.com/nasional/5...ahpahaman.html




Malaysia Ingin Klaim Tari Tor-tor?

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Kantor berita Bernama di Malaysia menyebutkan, Menteri Penerangan Komunikasi dan Kebudayaan Datuk Seri Rais Yatim berencana mendaftarkan kedua budaya masyarakat Sumatera Utara itu dalam Seksyen 67 Akta Warisan Kebangsaan 2005.

"Tetapi (pengiktirafan ini) dengan syarat, pertunjukan berkala mesti ditunjukkan, bermakna tarian mestilah ditunjukkan, paluan gendang dipelbagaikan dalam pertunjukan di khalayak ramai," kata Rais dalam acara peresmian Perhimpunan Anak-Anak Mandailing di Kuala Lumpur sebagaimana diberitakan situs Bernama, Kamis (14/6/2012).

Dalam situs itu disebutkan pula bahwa rencana itu penting dilakukan untuk memperjuangkan seni dan budaya masyarakat Mandailing. Upaya ini juga bertujuan membuka wawasan warga di negara tersebut tentang asal usul mereka.

Masyarakat Sumatera Utara, Indonesia, mengenal Tari Tor-tor sebagai salah satu bagian dalam upacara-upacara adat untuk menghormati para leluhur. Adapun Mandailing merupakan salah satu suku di Sumatera Utara.
sumber : http://internasional.kompas.com/read...m.Tari.Tor.tor

menteri Penerangan, Komunikasi, Kebudayaan Malaysia itu juga orang sumatra kok kelahiran payakumbuh/bukittinggi kalau tidak salah...
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Old June 18th, 2012, 06:28 PM   #642
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Dimulai lagi diskusi gak penting ....
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Old June 18th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #643
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diskusi seperti ini sudah sering terjadi sejak dulu, sesuai policy kita, tolong hindari diskusi ini karena akan ber potensi menjadi country vs country. Bagi yang masih ngotot berdiskusi akan kami beri tindakan keras.

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Old June 18th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #644
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Old June 18th, 2012, 07:11 PM   #645
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sebetulnya tidak ada yang perlu diributkan

contohnya kita sendiri. kita juga sering sebut barongsai sebagai warisan budaya bangsa walau itu dibawa dari luar. Seperti itu pula malaysia terhadap berbagai budaya Indonesia yang dikembangkan oleh orang2 keturunan Indonesia disana!
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Old June 18th, 2012, 07:35 PM   #646
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Daripada ribut share foto gunung kinabalu donk?? Maybe bro Patchay, Nazrey, Brown Eastern or another can show us.. Is that highest mount in Mas??
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Old June 18th, 2012, 07:37 PM   #647
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please mau tau dong Genting kaya apa? share please hehe
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Old June 18th, 2012, 09:25 PM   #648
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Published: 2012/06/18
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CIMB Group Holdings, Malaysia's second-largest lender after Maybank, predicts that in three years, Indonesia's contribution of profit before tax will beat Malaysia's, its home base.

CIMB also affirmed its plan for a dual listing on the Indonesia Stock Exchange, though currently it is only listed on Bursa Malaysia.

"By 2015, Malaysia will be just under 40 per cent, Indonesia will be just over 40 per cent, that's my expectation today," CIMB Group chief executive officer Datuk Seri Nazir Razak told reporters from Indonesia, who were invited by CIMB Group to Kuala Lumpur, on Thursday.

Nazir was speaking on the sidelines of CIMB Asean Conference 2012, at the end of a two-day forum that invited executives from various financial companies in Southeast Asia. The forum discussed the role of private sector in the region to drive the economic integration in 10-member countries of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean).

Nazir said he wanted CIMB Group to be the first company, legally incorporated outside Indonesia, that would list its stocks at the Indonesia Stock Exchange. "That is once the rule is out," he said, adding he "really urges Bapepam (the Indonesian capital markets regulator) to come up with new rules. The sooner the better."

Under existing Indonesian regulation, firms that are legally incorporated outside Indonesia are not allowed to list their shares on Indonesia's exchange. On the other hand, Indonesian companies are not prohibited from listing in overseas markets. Aneka Tambang, the country's state gold producer, has its shares also listed on Australia's stock exchange.

A plan to allow foreign companies to list in Indonesia has been delayed for around two years due to legal barriers and accounting matters.

The Malaysian bank's operation in Indonesia has been flourishing, boosted by its subsidiary Bank CIMB Niaga, the fifth-largest lender in Indonesia, which in the first quarter contributed 32 per cent to CIMB Group's total profit before tax, or RM431 million.

The lender's operation in Malaysia contributed 57 per cent during the same January-March period and other countries 11 per cent. CIMB Group's net income before tax was RM1.34 billion in the first quarter.

A diverged earning sources was part of the bank's aspiration to tap into the fast growing development in the region.

"CIMB is clearly the most Asean company there is, in terms of earning complexion, in term of management staff integration," Nazir claimed, adding that the lender also aims to list on the Stock Exchange of Thailand. Indonesia and Thailand are the two biggest economies in Southeast Asia.

In regards to the conference theme, Nazir called on the central banks in the region to synchronise banking regulations.

"There are no such thing as Asean when you go to the central banks today. Asean means nothing. It's either local bank or foreign bank. This is my big grief," he said.

The region is moving into an integrated economic community in 2015 that will allow free movement of goods service and people within the countries.

"Banks are the fuel for that to happen, so this framework is very crucial. We should have had this five years ago," he said.

Nazir's comments echoed Bank Mandiri's frustration to open branches in other Asean countries such as in Malaysia and Singapore.

Zulkifli Zaini, Bank Mandiri's president director, reiterated his frustration with neighboring countries for not giving Indonesian banks the same flexibility given to foreign banks operating in Indonesia, especially with regard to licensing.

Indonesia's central bank currently allows foreign lenders to operate on a single license. For example, an overseas bank that operates as a commercial lender must get approval from the central bank, Bank Indonesia, for another license for micro-lending.

"In Indonesia, we think it's not fair. There should be reciprocity," he said on Wednesday.
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Published: 2012/06/18
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Budget carrier AirAsia's Group Chief Executive Officer Tan Sri Tony Fernandes is upbeat on its Asean operations attaining potential growth of between 400 and 500 per cent.

"Let's assume Malaysia makes RM1 billion and we are not making that amount in other countries. If I can make RM1 billion each in Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines and Japan, then we will go from RM1 billion to RM4 billion in total.

"So, if we get it right, these countries can potentially make 400 to 500 per cent more.

"The impetus is in trying to deliver profitability to the countries that the group is not generating as much as Malaysia, and I believe we can do that with the right emphasis and the right drive,” he told reporters after announcing the carrier's new Chief Executive Officer for the Malaysian operations.

He said AirAsia marked the start of its second decade with the new regional office in Jakarta, Indonesia that will be focusing on the group's broader expansion, with more joint ventures in Asean.

Fernandes said the group needs to have a wider regional outlook, considering the enormous potential of an underserved market of three billion spread across Asean, Northeast Asia and South Asia.

He said with about 20 staff in Jakarta to be led by him, AirAsia Asean would provide an environment free from the pressures of day-to-day operations and the necessary "firefighting".

Asked whether it is the right time for restructuring, Fernandes said AirAsia has always benefited from the economic slowdown and it's an ideal opportunity to grow.

The group hopes the Jakarta office would enable it to tap the large domestic Indonesian market and raise AirAsia Indonesia's profile before its listing on the Jakarta Stock Exchange by the first quarter of 2013, he said.

"Actually it's not a delay to 2013, but we are just giving a gap as we are done with Thailand and other listing, mainly AirAsia X on the local bourse that is expected to be in October or November this year," he said.

AirAsia Thailand's recent initial public offering saw strong demand for its shares, and Fernandes said AirAsia Indonesia's listing process is on track and progressing well. -- Bernama
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Old June 19th, 2012, 04:12 AM   #651
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Sudahlah....Dari pada kita sibuk menyalahkan tetangga kita yg "kata"nya mengklaim budaya kita mending kita instropeksi diri saja.

Seberapa perhatiankah pemerintah kita terhadap budayanya ??, kenapa tidak sedari dulu pemerintah kita berinisiatif untuk mendaftarkan Tor-Tor dan lain2 yg di ributkan itu ke Unesco ??

Satu hal lagi Selama ini budaya dan kesenian yang ditampilkan Indonesia pada misi kebudayan di forum Internasional, lebih banyak budaya Jawa, Bali, dan Papua, tetapi budaya Melayu Indonesia sangat jarang ditampilkan, padahal Melayu itu berasal dari sebuah kerajaan yg pernah berdiri di Sumatera pada masa lalu, di forum2 International sudah terbangun opini bahwa Melayu itu adalah Malaysia, sedangkan Indonesia tidak dikenal sebagai melayu, sudah seharusnya Pemerintah Indonesia harus memperkuat identitas Melayu di Indonesia meskipun tidak seluruh wilayah Indonesia adalah Melayu.
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mau tanya adakah yang pernah makan nasi lemak??? apakah rasanya sama seperti nasi uduk?? (saya penggemar nasi uduk soalnya) ,makanan malaysia yang pernah saya coba cuma roti canai (indian-malaysian) sama teh tarik
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mau tanya adakah yang pernah makan nasi lemak??? apakah rasanya sama seperti nasi uduk?? (saya penggemar nasi uduk soalnya) ,makanan malaysia yang pernah saya coba cuma roti canai (indian-malaysian) sama teh tarik
saya pernah makan nasi lemak/ silemak/ silomak yang dibungkus dengan daun pisang memang betul rasanya mirip nasi uduk. biasanya ada ketika menggelar hajatan
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Old June 19th, 2012, 08:53 PM   #655
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mau tanya adakah yang pernah makan nasi lemak??? apakah rasanya sama seperti nasi uduk?? (saya penggemar nasi uduk soalnya) ,makanan malaysia yang pernah saya coba cuma roti canai (indian-malaysian) sama teh tarik
Pernah coba makan nasi lemak dengan lauk sotong di kedai mamak, menurut saya bumbunya terlalu kuat, terasa seperti "jamu". Mungkin karena ada pengaruh Indianya ya? Kalau yang masak orang Melayu mungkin lebih "mild". Kalau gak salah di KL yg paling terkenal nasi lemak di daerah Kampung Baru.
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mau tanya adakah yang pernah makan nasi lemak??? apakah rasanya sama seperti nasi uduk?? (saya penggemar nasi uduk soalnya) ,makanan malaysia yang pernah saya coba cuma roti canai (indian-malaysian) sama teh tarik
Tidak sama.... Nasi lemak rasanya lebih kuat dari nasi uduk. Nasi lemak relatif lebih berminyak dari nasi uduk. Sementara nasi uduk, masih lebih kering.

Nasi uduk lebih susah didefinisikan, karena beda tempat beda tekstur dan rasa.

Nasi lemak somehow, lebih seragam.
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MAS, Proton Malaysia Bangkrut Besar


NEWSGOL.COM - Raksasa maskapai penerbangan di negeri jiran, Malaysian Airlines (MAS), bangkrut. Krisis keuangan serupa juga dialami pabrik otomotif Proton. Kantor berita Malaysia Bernama melaporkan, Senin (18/06/2012), informasi ini dibenarkan oleh Sekretaris Jenderal Kamar Dagang dan Industri Malaysia Syed Hussein al-Habsyi. Khusus untuk kasus MAS, dia meminta direksi dan karyawan berdialog mencari jalan keluar terbaik mengatasi kebangkrutan.

"Dialog terbuka antara karyawan dan manajemen harus segera dilakukan," ungkap Syed Hussein.

Pengamat investasi di salah satu bank terbesar Malaysia, memberi bocoran kebangkrutan MAS dan Proton. Kedua perusahaan terkemuka itu sekarang mampu bertahan hanya karena sokongan subsidi pemerintah.

"Tapi sulit melakukan swastanisasi dua perusahaan itu karena ada gengsi negara dan pelayanan publik dipertaruhkan saat ini," jelas sumber yang tidak mau sebutkan identitas.

Akibat kebangkrutan, direksi MAS berupaya memindahkan kantor operasional mereka dari kompleks Bandar Udara Internasional Kuala Lumpur, Kota Subang Jaya, Negara Bagian Selangor. Langkah ini ditentang serikat pekerja yang merasa perusahaan pelat merah ini bakal digadaikan kepada pihak asing.
http://www.newsgol.com/my-ecobis/eko...rut-besar.html

ini berita benar adanya gak?? soalnya sering sekali media bikin orang-orang tertipu
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bias sekali beritanya
orang indonesia pula yang buat, padahal bangkrut atau tidak itu totally none of our business
kita kan senang ngeliat orang susah
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bias sekali beritanya
orang indonesia pula yang buat, padahal bangkrut atau tidak itu totally none of our business
kita kan senang ngeliat orang susah
kalau MAS sudah semenjak tahun kemarin beritanya. Malahan sempat tersirat kabar kalau bakal merger dengan AirAsia....

Tapi mungkin atas alasan yang sangat sensitif sehingga mergernya ditentang besar-besaran

Tapi kalau proton memang membingungkan. malahan penggunannya berkembang pesat di dalam negeri kita

Makanya saya berharap fakta yang lebih terpercaya dari forumer Malaysia
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bias sekali beritanya
orang indonesia pula yang buat, padahal bangkrut atau tidak itu totally none of our business
kita kan senang ngeliat orang susah
Ini sih "bangkrut" asumsi media.... di mana-mana yang namanya "bangkrut" itu diputuskan oleh Pengadilan Tata Usaha/Bisnis dsb.

Di Malaysia sih sama saja.

Kalau tetap terus di"BAIL-OUT" pemegang saham, atau mampu menjual aset untuk menutupi defisit, atau mampu jalan untuk tahun fiskal ke depan ya bukan bangkrut dong namanya :P ...

Korporasi "bangkrut" gak sama dengan pedagang warung tepi jalan yang "bangkrut".
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