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[Jonesy55]

There are parts with high crime, but its usually amongst the people that live there, gangs fighting each other, drug trade etc.

Unless you really stand out as a robbery target, (reading a map, looking lost, wearing an I love London tourist baseball cap etc ) you would be very unlucky to attract trouble I think, even in the worst areas....

[Ji-Ja-Jot]

Originally Posted by musiccity

Well I wasn't really thinking about the US when I made that post. It would be interesting to place the pampered "wannabe" gangsters you all are describing to me in Gugulethu in Cape Town and see how they fair.

When you visit and witness the problems of a Third World country, you really do find these problems back at home menial and trivial.

that's my oppinion, too. I really want to see Hamburger Wannabee-gangsters in a real Ghetto outside Germany, so they learn the hard way, how fucking lucky they are, to be allowed to live in Germany.
typical Hamburger "Youth-Gangsters" triying to rap how tough they are and how hard their life is: Note. The rapper Nate57 is even one of the better and most authentic rappers in Hamburg. Grown up in Karoviertel. what he claims it would be one of Hamburgs worst areas (I marked it blue for one of Hamburgs best areas. It was real poor and bad 20 Years ago but since the 90ies the Karoviertel is another proof, that gentrification rocks!)

Now imagine thoose guys in Johannisburg

[Aaronj09]

It's similar here too, a bunch of wannabe gangsters who like to shout abuse but once you go up to them they run away, and they are very weak on their own.

[joshsam]

wannebe gangsters can become real gangsters. Just look at the video's I posted of Brussels and think of that scum in the banlieus of french cities... They are not that harmless, they teach little kids bad things and when those kids grow up...

Edit: I must say that that vid from hamburg looks like a bunch of pussies compaired to what I see overhere.

[Svartmetall]

Originally Posted by Jonesy55

Really? Obviously there are areas which are not so great but I can't think of anywhere in any UK town or city that I know of which is bad enough to be considered a 'no-go' area for a regular citizen minding his own business.

Parts of Northampton are rife with bored Chav gangs that love to harass people going about their business, whether threatening them if they don't give them money or just verbal abuse, it really does make it unpleasant - and this is in the town centre. In some suburbs (Bellinge or around Limehurst Square for example), like I said, ambulances refuse to go there due to bashings on false call outs.

It's mindless thuggery that makes it "dangerous" for the average person in towns like Northampton.

[Aaronj09]

That's shocking. I walk through one of the most deprived areas of Leeds at night frequently but I've honestly never encountered trouble or felt scared or intimidated. Probably just luck though, but Northampton sounds seriously dodgy - kinda like it's opposite (Southampton)

[Jonesy55]

Originally Posted by Svartmetall

Parts of Northampton are rife with bored Chav gangs that love to harass people going about their business, whether threatening them if they don't give them money or just verbal abuse, it really does make it unpleasant - and this is in the town centre. In some suburbs (Bellinge or around Limehurst Square for example), like I said, ambulances refuse to go there due to bashings on false call outs.

It's mindless thuggery that makes it "dangerous" for the average person in towns like Northampton.

Hmm, that does sound bad. I've never been to Northampton but i never imagined it to be a terrible place...

[eklips]

Originally Posted by Singidunum

So strange. Especially considering it's the EU capital and a city visited by many tourists. Does this mean a tourist could get into a lot of trouble for going into those areas?

There is no such thing as a no-go area in Belgrade. I guess it's the relic of communism, the whole city is pretty much equal.

Honestly I see a lot of exageration in all of this. For example in the case of France the idea that there are areas where "the police doesn't go" is a complete lie. But it is so often repeated that people end believing it is true.

One thing that is true though is that the police has a very bad reputation in some areas, mainly due to the fact that it has a history of acting very violently and for comitting unpunished (or barely) racist crimes. So when the police patrols these areas they will not be greeted with flowers, but there is no neighborhood here where the police "doesn't enter". I don't know much about Germany or Belgium, but I'm pretty sure it must be the same thing.

[Ji-Ja-Jot]

there is no area in germany the police doesn't go. The type of people who claim that is shown in the wonderfull video i posted.

[joshsam]

Originally Posted by eklips

Honestly I see a lot of exageration in all of this. For example in the case of France the idea that there are areas where "the police doesn't go" is a complete lie. But it is so often repeated that people end believing it is true.

One thing that is true though is that the police has a very bad reputation in some areas, mainly due to the fact that it has a history of acting very violently and for comitting unpunished (or barely) racist crimes. So when the police patrols these areas they will not be greeted with flowers, but there is no neighborhood here where the police "doesn't enter". I don't know much about Germany or Belgium, but I'm pretty sure it must be the same thing.

Have you watched some of the vids I posted about Brussels, some are in french...So easy to understand for you. It's not that they not enter...but are afraid to enter none the less... Also everyone in those districts is treadted with kid gloves in order not to disturb them Scum like those belong in prisons and nowhere else.

[Orionol]

Hahahaha, you guys should see how the wannabee gangsters are here in Helsingborg. They try to be like Tony Montana or 2Pac, but everytime they do something wrong, an angry old swedish man yells at them, and then they run as pus*ys (afraid as hell), but they do this mostly to impress fjortisar(fjortisar is a swedish word for young girls that wears to much makeup and thinks that they are adult). Wannabe gangsters are a big joke here in Helsingborg, yet still they think that they are something big and cool.

Like Ji-Ja-Jot said, I would also really like to see them in real thug-city (Harlem etc.). They wouldnt even last for a day.

[Ji-Ja-Jot]

i don't want to show only bad parts. Here one great stuff. During winter the Alster lake in the city of Hamburg is frozen and you have maybe one of the largest inner city open air iceskating aera in the world. Its always absolutly breathtaking to cross the lake from one side to the other by feet. It is the big lake in the center of the map I posted in my second comment here, with mostly blue-areas around it.


from above it looks like ants on a frozen lake

[fbeavis]

The talk of hoods in European cities makes me laugh. There's nothing like this (for example) in Western Euorpe:

[Occit]

CARACAS

Where to live: Green one districts, where not to live: the rest:



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[joshsam]

Originally Posted by fbeavis

The talk of hoods in European cities makes me laugh. There's nothing like this (for example) in Western Euorpe:

How is decay a ghetto? It's Detroit duh and yes we have decaying cities in Europe that went down with together with the steel industry.

[aaabbbccc]

Casablanca Morocco very simple west side good east side bad

[Copperknickers]

Originally Posted by Jonesy55

Really? Obviously there are areas which are not so great but I can't think of anywhere in any UK town or city that I know of which is bad enough to be considered a 'no-go' area for a regular citizen minding his own business.

You've obviously never been to Glasgow. Certainly for a young male, you would be in serious risk of being violently attacked if you went through a gang area at the weekend in the dark. Obviously there are a lot of precautions you can take, but in the worst case scenario, say a South Asian, rich, unfit male at 1.00 in the morning in the centre of a major suburb, you are pretty much guaranteed to get some kind of harassment, and 1 time out of 10 you risk being attacked. Having said this, I know of Brazilians who have come to the UK and have not ventured outdoors once because they are afraid they will be kidnapped if they go out after dark without a bodyguard. It's not quite that bad. Glasgow is actually more violent than some developing world cities such as Cape Town and Detroit.

[Jonesy55]

I have been to Glasgow but admittedly I don't know it well. I have spent considerable time in some of the worst areas of greater Manchester, Merseyside, Birmingham and London and I never found anywhere bad enough to be considered 'no-go'

If the worst parts of Glasgow are a lot worse than these places then maybe you are right.

[Slartibartfas]

I don't think there are any no-go areas in Vienna. But there are definitely better and worse areas. This map of the unemployment
rate in different neighbourhoods gives a rough idea of the better locations and the not so good ones (yellow to red: good):



It is not giving the whole picture however. The Guertel area which features badl there is a night life hot spot and in the cheaper old
buildings quite a few students can be found. The 16th district an the 2nd district are up and coming but still have some gritty looking
corners, but then you find trendy shops or bars that don't quite fit to a desperate place. Pretty much all inner districts are
expensive but worth it, especially the 7th and the 6th.

If you want to see workers and immigrant districts your best choice is the pedestrian zone Favoritenstraße in the 10th district.
Its a well functioning shopping street, but specialized on the discount chains mixed with the ever present big chains. If you hear of
stabbings, its happening there But don't worry, these are normally conflicts among locals late at night after too many beer
usually. I have never witnessed something like that.

Less exciting but definitely as proletarian is the 11th district. Have a walk along Simmeringer Hauptstraße to get a feeling for what
I mean. Its on the way to the vast central cemetery so actually quite some tourists are passing through, below street level however
in the subway.

[Eduardo L. Ramirez]

Originally Posted by Ji-Ja-Jot

Here are some native OGs from St. Ingbert (Mitte)