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Old April 16th, 2012, 10:45 AM   #281
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Modern architecture is generally characterized by simplification of form (does not use ornament or superfluous aesthetic elements on its form)...so most of the times it is ugly. Germans have started to realize that.

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Old April 16th, 2012, 11:45 AM   #282
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I would choose the second option since its brand new, the first one is commie from 50's.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 12:40 PM   #283
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I would choose the second option since its brand new, the first one is commie from 50's.
What do you mean? Commieblocks (like one below)?



Reconstructed buildings in Dresden or Frankfurt are brand new as well and in my opinion they look much more appealing than cheap modern architecture.
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Old April 16th, 2012, 12:51 PM   #284
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no I mean its a commie, it has only historical facade, inside it looks like a regular commie block.

This is one single building, that only imitates single burgher houses.


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Old April 16th, 2012, 01:25 PM   #285
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Thanks for your post.

German reconstructions have been improved...townhouses have irregular shapes and layout (see below).



"inside it looks like a regular commie block" - what about the modern architecture in Gdansk? You believe that something has changed (see "Kwartal Kamienic" below)?

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Old April 17th, 2012, 12:30 AM   #286
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The modern versions totally loose compared to the more authentic historical reconstructions. For modern buildings however they look very nice. They definitely look human scale like, which modern buildings often don't.
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no I mean its a commie, it has only historical facade, inside it looks like a regular commie block.
I knew that flats are similar to this in commieblocks, but what about staircases? Are they similar too (painted paneling, terrazzo, etc.)?
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Old April 17th, 2012, 10:54 AM   #288
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I don't think that Germany would rebuilt Danzig/Gdansk, because they didn't really rebuild any city after the war. Look at their capital city Berlin and capital of Poland - Warsaw for example (or compare cities like Chemnitz, Dortmund, Kassel and Gdansk, Poznan, Wroclaw).
Why not compare them to Legnica, Jelenia Gora or Szczecin? Why should the partial reconstruction of the historically biggest Silesian city, Wroclaw (in thruth only 1/3 of the old town was reconstructed, while other parts where destroyed at the same time, by a four-lane highway for instance), be more representative than the almost complete destruction of the second biggest Silesian city, Legnica?

The reality was a bit more complex in both countries.
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Poland had no money to rebuild all cities, Germany had Marshal Plan and prosperous economy on the other hand.
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The modern versions totally loose compared to the more authentic historical reconstructions. For modern buildings however they look very nice. They definitely look human scale like, which modern buildings often don't.
Not only buildings were more human scale, flats were larger as well. Most of flats/apartments in modern buildings in Gdansk Old Town are tiny (40-60 sqm) and prices are sky high (3000-4000 EUR per sqm). Of course, new houses are made of less durable materials (than bricks in historical reconstructions), have no ornaments/decorated facades (again, reduces the cost), have no basements (or they are available separately), drywall is used to make interior walls and ceilings (speedier and cheaper alternative), etc. The reason is of course our lovely capitalism

Soon we will see people living like this (luxury apartment complex):

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Thanks for your post.

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??? That's not a reconstruction.
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??? That's not a reconstruction.
I wasn't aware of this, because I don't have any other Ogarna street view after the war than this one:


Maybe some of buildings survived WW2, but I'm certainly sure that more than 90% of houses on that street were devastated.

Now (it needs just some revitalization and it will look almost as good as Long Street)

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I'm sure This two survived, counting from your left hand side.
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Poland had no money to rebuild all cities, Germany had Marshal Plan and prosperous economy on the other hand.
Only in West Germany - in GDR there wasn't Marshall Plan too
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Only in West Germany - in GDR there wasn't Marshall Plan too
That's probably why Dresden, Rostock, Lepizig, Frankfurt or other big cities in Eastern Germany weren't rebuilt after 1945. Just recently reconstructions have started in this part of Germany.

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That's probably why Dresden, Rostock, Lepizig, Frankfurt or other big cities in Eastern Germany weren't rebuilt after 1945. Just recently reconstructions have started in this part of Germany.
Most cites weren't rebuild in "old style" (just after WW) - no matter DDR, West Germany, Poland, or France - for the same reason: upcoming modernisation. Only few were, but that was political not practical choice. That's basics.
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Most cites weren't rebuild in "old style" (just after WW) - no matter DDR, West Germany, Poland, or France - for the same reason: upcoming modernisation. Only few were, but that was political not practical choice. That's basics.
We can only be grateful that political reasons led to reconstructions in Poland. Poznan, Wroclaw, Gdansk or Warszawa have really charming Old Towns. What reasons are behind stopping large-scale reconstructions in these cities (Gdansk Old Town was about 10 times larger than one in Warsaw)? Why Germans have started beautiful projects in Dresden, Potsdam or Frankfurt and Poles are building less appealing, cheap looking modern houses?

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Neptune's Fountain (Fontanna Neptuna)

Before WW2


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Neptune's Fountain returned after some renovation works
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Why Germans have started beautiful projects in Dresden, Potsdam or Frankfurt and Poles are building less appealing, cheap looking modern houses?
Don't you think they have more catching up to do???? Dresden is not an authentic reconstruction and what is Frankfurt rebuilding? A few townhouses?
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It's nice to see that Germans have started large-scale reconstructions. Dresden, Rostock, Frankfurt and Berlin will be much nicer than Warsaw, Gdansk, Poznan or Wroclaw in the next few years. Poles, wake up. Modernism is ugly!!



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Buddy, I have seen plans for this building. It is heavily criticized and features many modernist elements. It's not an authentic reconstruction. Your whining is not rational.
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