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Old May 17th, 2012, 03:33 PM   #341
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I have a map of Gdansk/Danzig from 1807: http://www.mapy.eksploracja.pl/pomorze/Danzig_1807.jpg

I would call the "Old Town" urban areas inside the walls:


Correct me if I'm wrong, but when I've been in Gdansk the last time I noticed that only Srodmiescie was reconstructed.
How many years of further works in Gdansk are required to rebuilt the city completely?

I had a similar conversation about Elblag (also destroyed during WW2) and some residents of Elblag told me that reconstruction will take not less than 25-30 years, but even after this time Elblag will look uglier than before the war. Is it the same story with Gdansk?
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I wouldn't call Elblag uglier, just more contemporary. It would however be great if they rebuilt some landmark buildings in the original historical style, which actually is happening, if you follow the Elblag thread.
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Old May 17th, 2012, 08:32 PM   #343
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Old May 17th, 2012, 08:48 PM   #344
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I would call the "Old Town" urban areas inside the walls:
You would be wrong as only part of it is marked (correctly) as Stare Miasto (= Old Town).

However the Main Town (German: Hauptstadt, Polish: Główne Miasto) is marked incorrectly as "Śródmieście". This is a name that I've never seen in this meaning.

I would use the name Śródmieście (= Center) for the whole area of your map.
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I wouldn't call Elblag uglier, just more contemporary. It would however be great if they rebuilt some landmark buildings in the original historical style, which actually is happening, if you follow the Elblag thread.
Many of buildings in Elblag have been simplified...

Before WW2


After WW2 ("reconstruction")


Which one is nicer?

PS. You can read some of my posts about Elblag:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=267
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=270
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=271
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Many of buildings in Elblag have been simplified...

Before WW2


After WW2 ("reconstruction")


Which one is nicer?

PS. You can read some of my posts about Elblag:
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=267
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=270
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=271
The first one, more details, nicer architecture. Love all the ornaments and statues on this building.

Why didn't they reconstructed this building in God's name?!
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Old May 17th, 2012, 09:06 PM   #347
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Wish they could reconstruct the whole Altstadt of Elbing/Elblag. Would be nice if that was possible.
Those pictures of pre-war Elbing look amazing! All these roofs, gables and the cathedral. The cathedral looked much better before war with big roof and all the ornaments on the tower.

Well, thank World War II for all these 'new' architecture in the Altstadt......
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However the Main Town (German: Hauptstadt, Polish: Główne Miasto)
Hauptstadt? Rather Rechtstadt?
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Old May 17th, 2012, 09:41 PM   #349
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You would be wrong as only part of it is marked (correctly) as Stare Miasto (= Old Town).

However the Main Town (German: Hauptstadt, Polish: Główne Miasto) is marked incorrectly as "Śródmieście". This is a name that I've never seen in this meaning.

I would use the name Śródmieście (= Center) for the whole area of your map.
I understand that Stare Miasto in polish means Old Town, but the whole area of Srodmiescie was full of beautiful tenement houses, churches, etc. built before 18th Century and was called historic site of Gdansk.

Dolne Miasto - founded in 17th Century
Stare Przedmiescie - 14th Century
Dlugie Ogrody - 14-15th Century

Today, historic site is really small compared to the one, which existed in Gdansk before WW2.

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Hauptstadt? Rather Rechtstadt?
Ja, natürlich

Which by the way is interesting as it means Right Town (as opposed to left).

Since the archeologists found that the first church of Gdańsk Main Town was under the market hall, I started suspecting the "Right Town" meant simply right from the stream that originally flowed next to the church and later became the moat between Old and main Towns. Today it is Podwale Staromiejskie. The name differentiated the newly established Main Town from Old Town on the left bank of the the border stream.

The hypothesis has the additional advantage that it could explain where the lost Gdania Stream was (all names ending with -sk came from streams or rivers).
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The first one, more details, nicer architecture. Love all the ornaments and statues on this building.

Why didn't they reconstructed this building in God's name?!
This is what we call "more contemporary" architecture

Of course, there are some examples of nice architecture and sometimes (very rarely) it looks even better than before the war (see below).





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I highly recommend these pre-war videos of Elblag:


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I like both pictures, nice how they reconstructed the with the red gable
The Market Gate looks really different without the lantarn and spire on it.

Both I really like the houses with it's architecture on the old picture, allthough the streets on the pictures of now look more, uhm, 'organized', with all the lantarns, sidewalks and benches.

Nice what they're doing now, and I like (for a part) what they're doing, but I was more glad at this city if it became the Polish Dresden

But with the beautiful house with all the ornaments, it's a shame that that building isn't reconstructed, would've made a really difference in the streetsight.
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Some of buildings in pre-war Elbing/Elblag which probably (most likely) will be never rebuilt:






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The last picture hurts a bit. Reminds me a bit of the houseblocks in the streets of Cologne. Maybe a little painting and getting the graffiti off the buildings would cheer them up

But I think Cologne has also way much to do with their Innenstadt. Would be nice if they'll reconstruct some houses at the Altmarkt, Neumarkt, Heumarkt and around the St. Georgen and St. Severinkirche
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