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Old May 21st, 2012, 11:57 AM   #381
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Good idea.

But most of the 'reconstructed' architecture in Elbing/Elblag doesn't even come close to the architecture from before World War II.
Are there also plans for rebuilding the rooftower of the Galeria EL and the surrounding 'Klosterhof'?
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Old May 21st, 2012, 12:40 PM   #382
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I will probably just add "and Elbląg" to the title of this thread. However, I'm not sure how to change the title.
As you wish, but I'm afraid, that it will introduce confusion.

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Do I have to ask Skyscrapercity administrator?
Yes. Or moderator.
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:13 PM   #383
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New thread about Elblag: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1515133
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Old May 21st, 2012, 01:38 PM   #384
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Old May 27th, 2012, 08:47 PM   #385
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Church of the Holy Spirit (Kosciol Sw.Ducha)

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Before WW2


Now (school??)



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Old May 27th, 2012, 11:11 PM   #386
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amazing find, looks like it survived the war and just needs restoration.
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Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present
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Old May 28th, 2012, 09:48 AM   #387
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amazing find, looks like it survived the war and just needs restoration.


And that's how it looked like just shortly after the war. This gothic church is currently part of the primary school...the locker room (ground floor) and gym (upstairs).
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Old May 28th, 2012, 11:20 AM   #388
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Check out new 45' degree maps from google!
https://maps.google.com/?ll=54.34971...04823&t=h&z=18

It is clearly visible that during rebulding process, frontages toward river direction had higher priority first, so no we can see that there are a lot of space between quartiers... Quite sad, because such narrow streets had great atmosphere!

Plebania street:

on night:


Definitely should reconstruct area around MarienKirche, here some plans:

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Old May 29th, 2012, 12:11 AM   #389
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Check out new 45' degree maps from google!
https://maps.google.com/?ll=54.34971...04823&t=h&z=18
Thanks for the link

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Old May 29th, 2012, 07:31 AM   #390
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WTF???

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Old May 29th, 2012, 10:34 AM   #391
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WTF???
I'm not sure, but I believe these are new developments. In terms of simplicity, I think that modern architecture actually reached the limit It's terrible architecture, really ugly



http://tabelaofert.pl/kwartal-kamien...miescie,i70297

Prices: 14040 - 16200 PLN per sqm (), around 3500 EUR per sqm

Who will be paying so much for such a piece of crap?! It's not even worth half the asking price...

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Old May 29th, 2012, 12:14 PM   #392
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huh, I digged out a nice Poll performed around 2003, the question was(my crappy translation): Should we fill open spaces in Old City distrwict with partial reconstruction of the pre-war buildings?
70% citzens of Gdansk agree with that statement, 49% of people living in Old city agreed with that too.

Source http://www.gdansk.pl/komunikacja,512,1589.html

Bonus:incorporated gothic part into hotel residental on 'Dluga Street':

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huh, I digged out a nice Poll performed around 2003, the question was(my crappy translation): Should we fill open spaces in Old City distrwict with partial reconstruction of the pre-war buildings?
70% citzens of Gdansk agree with that statement, 49% of people living in Old city agreed with that too.

Source http://www.gdansk.pl/komunikacja,512,1589.html
So what is the problem? If citizens of Gdansk want historical reconstructions, why developers are offering post-modern crap?
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Before WW2


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So what is the problem?
Erm... Money?
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Old May 29th, 2012, 05:18 PM   #396
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Erm... Money?
Whose money?
Maybe developers should start caring more about their clients, not about filling their pockets with cash.
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I have been to Elblag for a few days and I have to admit that Old Town is really impressive there. Especially Sw.Ducha Street, Church Path, Hotel Elblag and of course beautiful St.Nicholas Cathedral. Gdansk Main Town is few times larger, but very neglected in comparison (many graffitis, stinking backyards, etc.). I took some pictures of Gdansk, Torun and Elblag, so I'll try to add them later this week.

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Old June 15th, 2012, 06:32 PM   #398
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We have visited St.Mary's Church and we have to say it's one of the biggest dissapointments in Gdansk. Do you know why the interior of this church is so austere? There's outstanding astronomical clock inside and few other beautiful pieces of art, but overall it is very plain looking. It's not bad, but it's not great either.
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Old June 15th, 2012, 07:17 PM   #399
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Who will be paying so much for such a piece of crap?!
Ah c'mon, for a new development it's not that bad after all. Looks quite urban and pays its tribute to historical Danzig.
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Old June 15th, 2012, 07:36 PM   #400
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We have visited St.Mary's Church and we have to say it's one of the biggest dissapointments in Gdansk. Do you know why the interior of this church is so austere? There's outstanding astronomical clock inside and few other beautiful pieces of art, but overall it is very plain looking. It's not bad, but it's not great either.
1. The church was heavily damaged in WW2.
2. The Polish Commies only reconstructed the Gothic parts, which was allegedly Polish architecture.
3. the church was Protestant before 1945, and in Protestantism not Latin but the language of the people was used, which, in this case, was German. Which meant that the interior of the church felt very German, which was the opposite of what the Commie historiography taught about the city.

BTW: it's not only St. Mary. The churches of Wroclaw looked very different before WW2 too. Now they also look very sparse.

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