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Old June 25th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #461
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Old June 25th, 2012, 05:19 PM   #462
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Old June 25th, 2012, 05:41 PM   #463
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It looks rather easy to rebuild, hope they'll did it.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 10:23 PM   #464
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Old June 25th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #465
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Rectifying that would certainly present something of a challenge

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Old June 25th, 2012, 11:04 PM   #466
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Seems easy to me to rebuild the gables and the small rooftowers....The only problem is how many money you've got to do this kind of projects

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Old June 26th, 2012, 02:35 AM   #467
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Not much I would guess.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 02:51 AM   #468
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Seems easy to me to rebuild the gables and the small rooftowers....The only problem is how many money you've got to do this kind of projects
They would need to re-arc the entire main roof as well. Notice how the roof line of this building is higher than that of the one to the right in the prewar photo?

In the more recent picture, it is clearly lower than that of the same building on the right.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 10:30 AM   #469
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Not much I would guess.
I have to agree with this one. Gdansk is a very poor city (GDP per capita is just slightly over 7k EUR per annum)...Belfast (where I live) has more than 3 times higher GDP per capita.
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Old June 26th, 2012, 12:28 PM   #470
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They would need to re-arc the entire main roof as well. Notice how the roof line of this building is higher than that of the one to the right in the prewar photo?

In the more recent picture, it is clearly lower than that of the same building on the right.
I think it's still possible to reconstruct the roof, gables and the small rooftowers, but if Gdansk is a not to rich city, I think it's going to take a long long time to collect money to give this building his old look back...
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Rectifying that would certainly present something of a challenge
Main point is in my opinion to rebuild first the main buildings which dominated the square (for example the building with the small tower at the left of the picture), and then see if it's possible to reconstruct the houses which stood against the citygate at the background (the lines of the roof from the house with the mansarde-roof can still be seen on the tower), and then re-organize the square with some tree's and benches so this square will be more attractive to tourists

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Why didn't Gdansk knock down the ruined buildings, as happened in many other cities?
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Why didn't Gdansk knock down the ruined buildings, as happened in many other cities?
Because Poles knew that by historical reconstruction they can preserve their rich cultural heritage even if it the buildings were no longer entirely authentic.

You have to remember that Poland lost an estimated 43% of Polish cultural heritage during World War II (estimated at 20 billion dollars); over 516,000 individual art pieces were looted, including 2,800 paintings by European painters; 11,000 paintings by Polish painters; 1,400 sculptures; 75,000 manuscripts; 25,000 maps; 90,000 books, including over 20,000 printed before 1800; and hundreds of thousands of other items of artistic and historical value.

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Example of pre-war modern architecture (not rebuilt after WW2)
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Old June 28th, 2012, 12:30 PM   #478
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Because Poles knew that by historical reconstruction they can preserve their rich cultural heritage even if it the buildings were no longer entirely authentic.

You have to remember that Poland lost an estimated 43% of Polish cultural heritage during World War II (estimated at 20 billion dollars); over 516,000 individual art pieces were looted, including 2,800 paintings by European painters; 11,000 paintings by Polish painters; 1,400 sculptures; 75,000 manuscripts; 25,000 maps; 90,000 books, including over 20,000 printed before 1800; and hundreds of thousands of other items of artistic and historical value.
Gdańsk isn't only polish cultural heritage. Before WWII Gdańsk was called Free City of Danzig http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_City_of_Danzig. Polish population in Free City was about 10% population.

After WWII Poland received the Free City of Danzig and former German territory east of the Oder-Neisse line, consisting of the southern two-thirds of East Prussia and most of Pomerania, Neumark (East Brandenburg), and Silesia.
When you are talking about "Polish cultural heritage", you are talking about Polish territory before WWII, or after WWII? It important, because after WWII were big Territorial changes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territo...r_World_War_II
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Gdańsk isn't only polish cultural heritage.

Of course, all Poles know that. For example (famous Danzigers):
- Anthonis van Obbergen (Flemish),
- van den Blocke Family (Dutch/Flemish),
- Johannes Hevelius (German-Polish),
- Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit (Polish-born Dutch),
- Daniel Nikolaus Chodowiecki (Polish-German),
- Arthur Schopenhauer (German),
- Günter Grass (German-Kashubian),
- Lech Wałęsa (Polish).

When you are talking about "Polish cultural heritage", you are talking about Polish territory before WWII, or after WWII? It important, because after WWII were big Territorial changes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Territorial_changes_of_Poland_immediately_after_World_War_II

You have to also remember that Gdansk was under Polsh Crown between 1466-1793 and most of the population were German-speaking Poles. After 1793, during partitions of Poland, majority of Poles, Kashubians were expelled or germanized.

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Old June 28th, 2012, 01:26 PM   #480
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You have to also remember that Gdansk was under Polsh Crown between 1466-1793 and most of the population were German-speaking Poles.
German-speaking Poles? This makes no sense in pre-nationalist times.
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