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Old October 23rd, 2012, 05:40 AM   #601
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How do you pronounce the name of this town? 'Dansk'?
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 07:33 AM   #602
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Gdansk - the g is hard like get and then you elide it with the d, which I know is tricky for lots of people - good luck
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Old October 23rd, 2012, 03:13 PM   #603
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Ghu-da˝sk (short "ghu" as in "ghetto", followed by "da˝sk")
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Old October 26th, 2012, 11:22 AM   #604
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Kwartal Kamienic/Townhouses Quarter






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Old October 26th, 2012, 12:20 PM   #605
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Prior to the destruction in 1945, in the historic district of Gdansk there were about 5,500 buildings (mostly townhouses), most of which today we would call historic monuments. For comparison, the historic center of Amsterdam has about 7,000 monuments, Venice - more than 15,000. Faithfully reconstructed are only 500 houses, granaries (9% of pre-war buildings!).
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Old October 26th, 2012, 12:33 PM   #606
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Prior to the destruction in 1945, in the historic district of Gdansk there were about 5,500 buildings (mostly townhouses), most of which today we would call historic monuments. For comparison, the historic center of Amsterdam has about 7,000 monuments, Venice - more than 15,000. Faithfully reconstructed are only 500 houses, granaries (9% of pre-war buildings!).
Well, let's built less crap like the buildings on the new pictures and more in the historical style. Rebuilding an old gable with a modern house behind it isn't too difficult, right?

Even if only the decorations cost a bit more, your getting a more beautiful streetscene with 'historical' gables in it.
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Rebuilding a city is more than reconstructing a 18th century fašade. It is also about reconstructing the urban grid. Thus building houses in high density in historical street patterns with a high diversity of functions and with respect to scale and proportions.
Gdansk (and other Polish cities like Wroclaw) are perfect examples of reconstructing historical cities without making it a theme park.
The style, the lack of decorations or perceived beauty of it, is secondary to the urban grid. And even if people don't like it, the fašade is the easiest part to change.
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Old October 26th, 2012, 04:23 PM   #608
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Old October 27th, 2012, 07:47 AM   #609
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Charming, beautiful and attractive city.

The restoration and reconstruction are very impressive - I knew that the former Danzig had been destroyed in the last year of the war, but I did not now that Poland had rebuilt Gdansk with such attention to detail and preservation of what is beautiful. It is also obviously a living, vibrant city and not just a tourist center.

It is added to my list of cities that I must visit.
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Old October 27th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #611
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as amazing as Warsaw's reconstruction.
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Well, let's built less crap like the buildings on the new pictures and more in the historical style. Rebuilding an old gable with a modern house behind it isn't too difficult, right?

Even if only the decorations cost a bit more, your getting a more beautiful streetscene with 'historical' gables in it.


Agreed.
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Old October 28th, 2012, 07:06 PM   #613
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Rebuilding a city is more than reconstructing a 18th century fašade. It is also about reconstructing the urban grid. Thus building houses in high density in historical street patterns with a high diversity of functions and with respect to scale and proportions.
Gdansk (and other Polish cities like Wroclaw) are perfect examples of reconstructing historical cities without making it a theme park.
The style, the lack of decorations or perceived beauty of it, is secondary to the urban grid. And even if people don't like it, the fašade is the easiest part to change.
I agree that facades can always be altered once the infrastructure is in place, howeverr rebuilding old cities in correct historic style and scale does not make them a theme park. The only things that do that are stupid tourist "trains" and tacky shops, a lack of genuine commerce as opposed to purely tourist trade and an ignorance of style, proportion and scale. Wroclaw, as you say is a good example of rebuilding a once destroyed city.
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My own photos from Gdansk/Danzig

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Coat of Arms of Both Nations Republic (From left coat of arms of Poland Kingdom and from right coat of arms of Grand DUchy of Lithuania)

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Old November 1st, 2012, 06:23 AM   #617
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very nice pics.

what makes a reconstruction not a museum is first of all its reconnection to the life-giving urban grid or street pattern, density and diversity of uses, I agree, but above all dynamic interface between streets and their ground floors. Lots of people and different uses on every floor. Look what modernism did to cities when uses were separated spatially and segregated. Unfortunately success often leads to a monoculture of high order goods purveyors that ruin the diverse bohemian feel we all love....well most of us.
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Old November 5th, 2012, 09:55 PM   #618
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very nice pics.

what makes a reconstruction not a museum is first of all its reconnection to the life-giving urban grid or street pattern, density and diversity of uses, I agree, but above all dynamic interface between streets and their ground floors. Lots of people and different uses on every floor. Look what modernism did to cities when uses were separated spatially and segregated. Unfortunately success often leads to a monoculture of high order goods purveyors that ruin the diverse bohemian feel we all love....well most of us.
I agree entirely with your sentiments, a classic case of succes leading to a monoculture of high order goods purveyors is the centre of West Palm Beach, Florida. Everything high end, everything perfect but there is a soul-less and artificial feel about the place which I dislike.
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Some beautiful reconstructions...

Aleksander Benedykt Sobieski was born here


Boguslaw Radziwill ("a traitor" ) was born here


Ferber House (decorated with a coat of arms of Royal Prussia, Polish Crown and Gdansk)


Schlueter House (decoration of the fašade features medallions with the portraits of Polish kings: Zygmunt III Waza and Wladyslaw IV Waza)


BTW, does anybody know where exactly Michal Jerzy Poniatowski and Adam Kazimierz Czartoryski were born?

Also, where was the St.Jacob Gate located in Gdansk? Is it possible to rebuild it?

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