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Old November 8th, 2012, 12:27 AM   #621
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The chruch-clock is back at St.Johns tower!

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Old November 9th, 2012, 09:28 PM   #622
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My list of desired future faithful reconstructions in Gdansk



Faithful reconstruction of Gdansk´s old town (Altstadt)









Hevelius houses and observatorium, Old town district







(Main town - Rechtstadt)
Faithful reconstruction of tenement houses (including its past backyard tenement houses) at the other side of Swietego Ducha street






Today: Only one side of the street reconstructed



To be continued...
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Old November 9th, 2012, 11:00 PM   #623
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My list of desired future faithful reconstructions in Gdansk (Part 2)

Glowne miasto - Rechtstadt

Piwna 40/45 - tenement houses





Torture tower - Stockturm, tenement houses and houses







Danziger Hof Hotel - which once again could become as famous as Bristol in Warsaw, Hotel Monopol in Wroclaw/Breslau or Grand Hotel in Lodz (soon to be revitalized)



Today:




The current site, LOT building


Targ weglowy - Kohlen markt (Coal market), reconstruction to its former glory







Today:


As we want this place to look like:


To be continued...
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Old November 28th, 2012, 02:44 PM   #624
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Great job guys with this topic!

I would like to ask you for small favor. Im looking for some old photos of the building where my family used to live before WWII.
First building was located vis-a-vis Train station. In this place there is Rossmann grocery store and Cinema City.
Second one was located on the "Piwna Street". In this place there is an exit from Naptun Cinema at the moment.
We lost all photos of my mother's family and it would be nice to take a look where did they live some time ago.
I will try to contact my grand parents to find exact address of this places.

Thanks in advance!


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Old November 28th, 2012, 07:07 PM   #625
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Do you know the street number?

2nd street is Jopengasse, there are several hits for "jopengasse danzig" on http://www.bildindex.de/
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Refugees fleeing Soviets in 1945.

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Old January 2nd, 2013, 10:47 PM   #627
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Long Market before WW2





And after "reconstruction" (facades are absolutely amazing and far more beautiful than pre-war ones )





Could you please tell me why Poles do not "reconstruct" pre-war buildings anymore?!

What happened with all Polish brilliant architects who were able to create these marvelous facades?
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Old January 3rd, 2013, 01:05 AM   #628
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Before WW2




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Could you please tell me why Poles do not "reconstruct" pre-war buildings anymore?!

What happened with all Polish brilliant architects who were able to create these marvelous facades?
A nasty charter that architects voluntarily adhere to called the Venice Charter. Really it shouldn't apply to places that have suffered catastrophic destruction like Gdansk, Dresden and Warsaw that have lost their genius loci.
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A nasty charter that architects voluntarily adhere to called the Venice Charter. Really it shouldn't apply to places that have suffered catastrophic destruction like Gdansk, Dresden and Warsaw that have lost their genius loci.
When Poland signed the Venice Charter?

For example...

Mansion of the Society of Saint George was rebuilt in 1950-1953


Long Street 45 was rebuilt in 1950-1953


Long Street 20 in 1953-1954


Ferber's House in 1954


Golden Gate in 1957


Research Society House in 1956-1958


Mariacka Gate in 1958-1961


English House in 1958-1979


And the list goes on...

Thanks TheReconstructer for the link. I suppose that we'll never see more reconstructions in Gdansk, because of this law Still there are cities like Rome or Florence, where I would love to live (as I wrote before, new thread about lovely Rome is coming).

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Old January 3rd, 2013, 02:35 PM   #631
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When Poland signed the Venice Charter?
1964.
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So for example, in Warsaw, will they have trouble rebuilding Saski Palace because of this charter (which is a joke)?
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So for example, in Warsaw, will they have trouble rebuilding Saski Palace because of this charter (which is a joke)?
I don't hope so.....
But I hope this will help:

All reconstruction work should however be ruled out "a priori." Only anastylosis, that is to say, the reassembling of existing but dismembered parts can be permitted. The material used for integration should always be recognizable and its use should be the least that will ensure the conservation of a monument and the reinstatement of its form. Text of Charter, Article 15

This is part of the Venice Charter, which is publicated on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venice_Charter

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Before WW2


Now


Before WW2


Now


Before WW2


Now


Take a closer look at photos above. The Polish restorers have been able to recreate the unique atmosphere of the city, however most of the buildings are not faithful reconstructions.
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Don't worry its not enforced by Darth Vader, exceptions are made, there are plans to rebuild more of the historic fabric of Gdansk, but these will be the exceptional ensembles of buildings or unique structures like Saski Palace in Warsaw. The biggest advocate of this charter in Poland has been Ewa Nekanda-Trepka, it's no surprise she's an avowed modernist.
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Don't worry its not enforced by Darth Vader, exceptions are made, there are plans to rebuild more of the historic fabric of Gdansk, but these will be the exceptional ensembles of buildings or unique structures like Saski Palace in Warsaw. The biggest advocate of this charter in Poland has been Ewa Nekanda-Trepka, it's no surprise she's an avowed modernist.
So the rest of the historic site will look more like Old Town in Elblag (where just a few faithfully restored structures are surrounded by modern architecture) or like this (no reconstructions at all)?

PS. Do you have a map of areas rebuilt in the pre-modern styles? How many streets have been less or more faithfully reconstructed? Ogarna, Long Market, Dluga, Piwna and Mariacka (including cross streets)? It seems to me that Sw.Ducha, Szeroka and Swietojanska will be divided between pomo/modern and historical-look. The rest will combine pomo/modernism, and very, very rarely some reconstructions?

PS2. I'll ask again, does anybody know where exactly Michal Jerzy Poniatowski and Adam Kazimierz Czartoryski were born?

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Interview with extraordinarily talented architect, Stanislaw Michel who with his team rebuilt Mariacka Street - http://ibedeker.pl/osobowosci/swieto...#axzz2H0mieB1s

Nowiny Street in Orunia, suburbs of Gdansk (one of his works from the late 20th century):
http://www.mojaorunia.pl/administrat...37_a%20084.jpg
http://www.mojaorunia.pl/administrat...38_a%20085.jpg
I think that pomo like this is really easy on the eye...I wouldn't mind to see more similar developments in the suburbs of the city.

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Old January 5th, 2013, 12:04 AM   #638
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Stągiewna Street on Granary Island.

Before WW2
[IMG]http://i25.************/1442u4z.jpg[/IMG]

Now
[IMG]http://i30.************/99fe51.jpg[/IMG]

This year starts construction of new hotel
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Piwna Street (1946)


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I'm not sure, but I believe these are new developments. In terms of simplicity, I think that modern architecture actually reached the limit



Prices: 14040 - 16200 PLN per sqm (), around 3500 EUR per sqm

Who will be paying so much for such a piece of crap?! It's not even worth half the asking price...


As I predicted, apartment prices went down to 9900 PLN, around 2400 EUR per sqm Still too expensive though...

Another awful project has been completed (Czopowa Street, Old Town):


Who the hell is so stupid to buy an apartment in a place like this?! (in fact, this development looks like social housing in Belfast, link, link2, link3)

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