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Old February 6th, 2013, 12:17 PM   #781
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Number of plots (properties) in Gdansk City Centre/Srodmiescie by year:
1806 - 5354 plots (it's roughly the number of properties built before partitions of Poland)
1939 - 6075 plots

Torun had 772 plots in 1815 and Elblag around 350 before partitions of Poland.
Elblag's Old Town in 15th century had 422 plots (Erbe). The number of plots in Elblag in 1815 (including Srodmiescie) was 2024.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 01:05 PM   #782
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There are two more skyscrapers in the Old Town: Mercure-Hevelius Hotel (built in 1979, 87m), Organika Trade (1980, 98m)


From the sky you can easily see how the Stare Przedmiescie (Old Suburb) and parts of the Stare Miasto (Old Town) are fuc.... up urbanistically.
Oh I thought Gdansk was much bigger. Really love to visit it sometime this year with my Polish friends.
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Old February 6th, 2013, 01:22 PM   #783
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Oh I thought Gdansk was much bigger. Really love to visit it sometime this year with my Polish friends.
The area worth visiting in Gdansk (Srodmiescie/City Centre) is actually very small and has an estimated population of 39,770 and area ~5.5 km˛.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Ar...e,_Gda%C5%84sk
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Old February 6th, 2013, 02:58 PM   #784
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The city still need to reconstruct a lot more of the lost streets (espacially in the Old town area) and buildings to return Gdansk´s former glory, nevertheless there is still a lot to do, explore and visit in this historic 1000-year old city!

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Old February 6th, 2013, 03:38 PM   #785
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Before WW2


And just a few months ago
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Old February 6th, 2013, 05:25 PM   #786
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In some parts the reconstructions on Long street/Ulica Dluga look even better than before the war

1938:


2009:


1943:


2010:


Gdansk holds so much potential, but desperately needs more reconstructions and revitalizations
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Old February 6th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #787
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But nobody talks about reconstructions here in reality...
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Old February 7th, 2013, 10:54 AM   #788
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Recently, many read and hear about the new building north of the Granary Island (not "cape" because it is at the very end of the Island), the Green Bridge into the storehouse "Deo". A project and the media roar of praise "successful combination of tradition and modernity," a postmodern glass superstructure 16th century granary 'Will Head "is called" reconstruction "(!)
To avoid misunderstanding: I do not think this architecture as a whole is bad. Inserted into it a lot of effort and heart, but does not stand comparison with the previous one. Does not carry the historical content, which are the soul of our city. In addition to the superstructure, "Wole's Head" particularly serious is a big glass building on the corner of Stągiewna. The general problem is the scale and too sharp contrast to the beautifully restored Long Pobrzeże.

But let's leave the matter once the shape of the unique global team Granaries and consider the problem from a different angle. As you know, the former provincial conservator determined, and its successor "zaklepał" maximum building height of 30 m Ignoring the objections, approved a mistake in the zoning plan. What will be the consequences? I invite you to check out. You will need a pencil, paper and a ruler with scale. Assume the scale of 1:1000, which is one in which 1 cm represents 10 m as a basis draw a straight horizontal line, 20-cm long, that is, in the 200 m at one end "erect" vertical section of 3 cm, for showing high 30 m wall of the new building on the Island. The reconstruction drawings known that Chlebnicka Gate is 17 m to the ridge, so we draw a second vertical section, 1.7 cm tall, 7.2 cm at a distance, which is 72 m from the first (that's the distance from the top of the gate from the roof of the block on the Island ). It's now a straight line to connect the upper ends of the two sections and extend it beyond the gate, to see where the cuts stand.

We are located at the intersection of 86 m distance from the top of the gate. Chlebnickiej the street is a place between the outlets slushy streets and fur. From this distance onwards, you will see the tops of the new building Granary Island - in fact much closer to the point: 74 meters from the gate, because the man has eyes average height of 1.6 m above the ground, and the road surface falls towards Motława, so we are Here at least one meter higher than at the gate. The result - terrible! - Present in the attached picture.

Are inexorable laws of geometry. They show conclusively that the implementation of the building of the island definitely disturb the cultural landscape, subject to protection (Law on protection of monuments on 23 July 2003, Art. 6.1, p 1 a). This would be breaking the law, approved by two successive provincial maintenance! Yet the conservator's statutory obligation to ensure compliance with this Act, all the more that we are in the Memorial History.

Dear Fathers of the City, Sir conservator, out of this situation can be only one: the urgent need to revise and improve the conditions of conservation plan. Body Islands must be at least one floor lower than assumed. This is particularly important in the streets Chlebnickiej axle extensions, Mary and the Holy Spirit. The landscape of the city and the Old Port, the best would be to maintain the old ratio of height of the buildings. Once again we are reminded how fragile and sensitive to the beauty of the Old Gdansk! We can not allow it to interfere with mismatched buildings and to kill the charm of such places as the lower section of a street Chlebnickiej, in the future, when there will be investors in the northern headland, the St. Mary's and other beautiful places of the historic city center.

http://trojmiasto.gazeta.pl/trojmias...ie_prawa_.html

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Old February 7th, 2013, 10:39 PM   #789
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those historic city gates must be rebuilt as they define the historic edges and main gateways of the historic city and could enrich its historic character especially if few reconstructions are planned in the future.

I'm ok with some of the contemporary vernacular style proposed for Granary Island as long as its done well it will age nicely and blend in. I actually prefer the better versions of wghat is being built in Elblag, where mostly brick is used. There needs to be an urban design rule in place so that the primary building material must be brick, of a consistent colour and some of the more exotic designs won't detract so much.
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Old February 8th, 2013, 12:08 PM   #790
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Before WW2 and after reconstruction
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Karowa Gate (demolished in the 19th century, not reconstructed after the war)

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Old February 8th, 2013, 01:03 PM   #792
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These drawings were made by Otto Kloeppel, an outstanding expert of old Danzig's architecture.
About medieval Karowa Gate, it was burried under a new bastion in 1563 and recovered again during demolition process of the old walls of the Main Town in 1896. Unfortunately, the gate was demolished then as well:

Photo after the recovery of the gate in 1896
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Photos of freshly reconstructed parts of the city

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Wow, Karowa gate was a real beauty, what's in its current location? Any chance of it ever being rebuilt?
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Old February 8th, 2013, 05:41 PM   #795
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Wow, Karowa gate was a real beauty, what's in its current location? Any chance of it ever being rebuilt?
This rather nice building...

So I would say there's no chance for reconstruction of the gate.

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Also a very nice building. But is Gdansk also planning to give some streets (pavement, transform busy/ugly streets into nice and walkabe streets) a make-over?
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Wilhelm August Stryowski "Polish nobles in Gdansk"

Unfortunately, many of Wilhelm's paintings dissapeared without trace during the war...

PS. Do you know where exactly in Gdansk Jan Mikolaj Chodkiewicz was born?

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No. We are in deep sht.
That's too bad. They really should create some nice squares, streets and maybe re-locate the highway around the Stare Miasto under the ground, including the railway.....
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Before WW2 and after reconstruction


Shortly after the war...


Abbot's Palace (founded by Jacek Rybinski) before WW2 and after reconstruction




Shortly after the war (it was set on fire in 1945 by German troops who sought to clear the terrain in front of the advancing Red Army)...


Small bonus for fans of politics

Mitt Romney at reconstructed Long Market in Gdansk (2012)


Donald Tusk and Mitt Romney in reconstructed Main Town Hall


Lech Walesa (co-founder of Solidarity) and candidate for presidential election in US


Presidents of Poland and Estonia in Gdansk (2012)


Presidents of Poland and Italy in Gdansk (2012)

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