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Old February 14th, 2013, 11:52 PM   #841
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I like it. I think it looks picturesque. There's worse out there. But the first pic is showcasing a better example.
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Old February 15th, 2013, 05:57 AM   #842
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I like it. I think it looks picturesque. There's worse out there. But the first pic is showcasing a better example.
It doesn't look bad, just looks very un-authentic, that's all. It's like some sort of weird old/new hybrid.
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Old February 15th, 2013, 02:23 PM   #843
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Co tutaj w tagach robi Elbląg?
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Old February 15th, 2013, 03:21 PM   #844
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Maybe the city authorities should try to recover from Stockholm the painting "King John II Casimir in Polish costume" by Royal family painter Daniel Schultz...


And work of Andrzej Stech from Herzog Anton Ulrich Museum Braunschweig


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Old February 15th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #845
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Do you know when and where in Gdansk the Casimir IV Jagiellon monument will be unveiled?


http://www.kuznica.org.pl/index.php?...d=79&Itemid=50
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Old February 16th, 2013, 12:33 AM   #846
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I think it would be nice to return them.
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Old February 16th, 2013, 11:25 AM   #847
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Recently reconstructed paintings by Leon Dudij...


The Crucifixion (originally Andrzej Stech, reconstructed between 2012 and 2013)

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Old February 16th, 2013, 11:47 AM   #848
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Destruction of Danzig

Danzig was destroyed by the Soviet hordes in an orgy of artillery fire. A useless act of revenge on Hanseatic Architecture.

If looking at the degree of destruction in Danzig / Gdansk, Breslau/ Wroclaw and Königsberg, one can imagine what violence was released against millions of frightened civilians. Very young and old soldiers which had most often only small arms to defend themselves. After the massive destruction the brown clad hordes came too rape (and most often) kill (murder) the poor survivors.

Never in history this cruel act with all its gigantic dimensions (like the bombing of 100 German cities with Hamburg, Dresden and Magdeburg as the ultimate inferno's of destruction) has ever seriously and universally been condemned.

I am proud on the Polish Nation that they did their outmost to bring some old beauty back in Stettin (Szczecin), Breslau (Wroclaw), Warsaw, Marienburg (Malbork)and Danzig (Gdansk), like the Germans now try to to with the core of the inner city of Dresden, now followed, although hesitantly, by Potsdam.
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Old February 16th, 2013, 11:48 AM   #849
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Klassiker, read the following articles: link1, link2, link3, link4, link5, link6, link7, link8, link9, link10

Both, Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia authorities/armies perpetrated unspeakable acts of cruelty and both contributed to the destruction of beautiful Gdansk.
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Old February 16th, 2013, 12:41 PM   #850
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Shortly after the war
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Old February 16th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #851
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Gdansk and further reconstructions

Lets be honest, if Gdansk would not have been made into rubble in the last month of WWII, then today it could easily have lived on turism and its harbor alone (similar to Brugge in Belgium).

This is the reason why I believe the efforts to reconstruct Gdansk faithfully should be continued over the course of the next decades. In this process experts from Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium should be hired in two make clear that all the great buildings and streetviews are recreated as close to perfection as possible.



When it comes to interiors of the reconstructed buildings, their should be a general criteria to reconstruct the interior of the first two floors (and stairs) in all buildings that housed famous restaurants, beerpubs and hotels (For instance the reception in the reconstructed Danziger Hof, aka first 5 star hotel in Gdansk, similar to hotel Bristol in Warsaw). In buildings such as Hevelius house, the facade and interior on every floor of the three buildings (together with Hevelius observation platform) should be returned.



Furthermore, more of the streets in Gdansk main town should become completely traffic free and have more cobblestone streets (Like Mariacka street) to give that classical old town feel.

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This is Piwnicka Street and it was cobblestoned few years ago.

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Now


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Shortly after WW2
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[B] In this process experts from Germany, Italy, the Netherlands and Belgium should be hired in two make clear that all the great buildings and streetviews are recreated as close to perfection as possible.
Because Poles are not experts??
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Because Poles are not experts??
No Rychlik, because I am afraid we otherwise can see a replay from the "reconstruction" of Elblag or Glogow. And by the way, mannerist and renaissance buildings will receive greater recognition if they are rebuilt by architects and experts coming from the same country and region as the architects and mastercrafts of the original buildings.
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"Cupids playing" by Stanislaw Michel



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Old February 17th, 2013, 02:21 AM   #859
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No Rychlik, because I am afraid we otherwise can see a replay from the "reconstruction" of Elblag or Glogow. And by the way, mannerist and renaissance buildings will receive greater recognition if they are rebuilt by architects and experts coming from the same country and region as the architects and mastercrafts of the original buildings.
Well, Poland has done a great job in reconstructing the various damaged cities since the second world war, and still is doing so in many cases. I don't see why buildings would receive greater recognition if they were built by people from so called experts coming from the same country as the architects of the original buildings. I think Europe could learn a lot from Poland in this respect.
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Old February 17th, 2013, 02:28 AM   #860
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Well, Poland has done a great job in reconstructing the various damaged cities since the second world war, and still is doing so in many cases. I don't see why buildings would receive greater recognition if they were built by people form so called experts coming from the same country as the architects of the original buildings. I think Europe could learn a lot from Poland in this respect.
I have great respect for the reconstruction of Gdansk, Warsaw and other polish cities. However under such people as former Warsaw head conservator Nekanda-Trepka and the conservator in Gdansk (Refusing to reconstruct the Wyspa Spichrzow) I am afraid that we will se larger faithful city-reconstructions in Poland in the nearby future.

The conservators job in Elblag and Glogow are just horrible examples on how following the "Venice charter" can destroy a countries great reconstruction reputation in the XXI century.

My greatest dream however is to live to the day when entire historic Gdansk have been faithfully reconstructed (Main town, Old town, Granary Island and the Wisloujscie fortress)
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