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Old March 10th, 2013, 12:33 PM   #961
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Was there any nice bridge in a pre-1793 Gdansk? Anything worth rebuilding?
Why just pre-1793? Please explain.
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Why just pre-1793? Please explain.
Because this way the city has been rebuilt. The reconstruction is not tied to the city's pre-war appearance, but to the times when it was ruled by various Polish kings.

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The 19-20th century additions were regarded as rubbish by Polish restorers and they weren't reconstructed.

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Old March 10th, 2013, 07:19 PM   #964
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Old March 10th, 2013, 07:58 PM   #965
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Was there any nice bridge in a pre-1793 Gdansk? Anything worth rebuilding?

Gothic Bridge in Klodzko

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...n%C3%B3wce.JPG

The Green Bridge, Cow Bridge and Stagiewny Bridge in Gdansk look so plain and unattractive...

This project (architect: Ryszard Gabriel) is really cool:

http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/332/332862.jpg

Krowi most - Kuhbrucke

http://www.danzig-online.pl/post/danzig/237.jpg


http://www.danzig-online.pl/post/danzig/239.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/102/102047.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/385/385630.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/256/256787.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/140/140738.jpg

Zielony most - Grune brucke

http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/244/244767.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/115/115676.jpg

Interwar years:

http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/113/113972.jpg

Most na Szopy - Mattenbudener-Brücke

http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/314/314059.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/342/342446.jpg


http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/342/342447.jpg

Not rebuilt after 1945:

http://www.fotopolska.eu/foto/296/296264.jpg
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Old March 10th, 2013, 08:56 PM   #966
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What's wrong about that? At the time the reconstruction started, this historicism had only ~60 years. Structures from earlier years had and have much higher historical value, especially for Poles.
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Old March 10th, 2013, 10:52 PM   #967
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In my opinion, not so nice as Aura Gdansk or Kwartal Kamienic (which still are not match for reconstructions or Socialist Realism architecture)...

Kamienice nad Motlawa

http://www.pbgorski.pl/images/upload...path-1+big.jpg


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Szafarnia

http://images34.fotosik.pl/588/3be2243a598524a5.jpg


http://images41.fotosik.pl/1972/e825946293f86907.jpg

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Neptun Cinema (built in 1953, will soon be renovated)

http://images33.fotosik.pl/593/ddfa159312979ae0.jpg


http://www.myfinepix.com.mt/sites/de...2/img_0030.jpg

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Long Market 1-7 (built in 1949-1952, mix of faithfully reconstructed facades with projects by Wladyslaw Czerny)

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/fotomon/bloxl...79c7b6ac9b.jpg

Interior (designer: Stanislaw Holc)

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/fotomon/bloxl...792f3c1246.jpg


http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/fotomon/bloxl...79d066fb18.jpg


http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/fotomon/bloxl...791be353ec.jpg

More photos: http://bryla.gazetadom.pl/blogi/art1...y_socrealizm/1
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Kolodziejska Street (Socialist Realism bulidings need renovation...)

http://images34.fotosik.pl/589/35e17765c27cd66c.jpg


http://e-turysta.pl/zdjecia/galeria-...nsk-793788.jpg

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Kolodziejska Street (Socialist Realism bulidings need renovation...)

http://images34.fotosik.pl/589/35e17765c27cd66c.jpg


http://e-turysta.pl/zdjecia/galeria-...nsk-793788.jpg
I would prefer demolition and reconstruction of what stood there before 1945.
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Even though they aren't the original they are not bad replacements.
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Old March 11th, 2013, 10:47 PM   #973
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Even though they aren't the original they are not bad replacements.
There are less than 10% "original" buildings in historic Gdańsk, this part of the city was completely destroyed during the war. Almost every single building was built after 1945. Some facades have been reconstructed (based on a pre-1793 drawings and documentation), some not.

Hotel designed from scratch after the war...


Here only 3 facades have been reconstructed


I would say that less than 50% of all facades along Royal Route have been faithfully reconstructed (but it doesn't really matter, because many houses, designed by Polish architects, with all beautiful sgraffitos and details look better than ever in history).

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I would prefer demolition and reconstruction of what stood there before 1945.
If you prefer everything that was built before 1945, maybe we should also demolish over 70 percent of all buildings along Mariacka Street, Piwna Street, Ogarna Street, etc. because they have all been designed by Polish architects after the war and are not faithful reconstructions. And why 1945? Why not 1900, not 1800, etc.?
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Before WW2

http://images46.fotosik.pl/1987/8d642ec8b315f555.jpg

Now (of course, all original houses were completely wiped out during the war)

http://images33.fotosik.pl/596/0c08c025b0d34e0d.jpg

^ Shortly after the war (exactly the same place)

http://fotomemoria.pl/environment/ca...2eb564c408.jpg

Before WW2 and now (should again be noted that all the houses were built from scratch after WW2, like 90% of other tenements within historic Gdansk)

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^ Some of them look even better now.
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^ Some of them look even better now.
That was a goal, to build houses more beautiful than ever. Of course, only where faithful reconstruction of the 15-18th centuries facades was impossible due to the lack of accurate documentation and drawings. I'm sure that Royal Route, Mariacka Street and Piwna Street look far better than before WW2, but still they might be not as charming as in the 17th century (when the city was the richest Baltic port). Btw, are there any other cities in Europe, besides Gdansk, where more than 15 severely damaged churches and over 500 other buildings (including Medieval towers, city gates, historic tenements, etc.) have been rebuilt after the war?

Some will call it "Disneyland" (like Warsaw, Dresden, Wroclaw, Poznan, Kalisz, Ypres, and so on)



Well that may be but honestly, I don't give a shit.
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would rather live in Disneyland than a modernist wasteland.

my other point is we forget how impressive post war socialist realist interiors were. many of these were designed by top-notch arhitects, the era of ugly cookie cuttter commie blocks we could forget though.
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Before WW2 and after (faithful) reconstruction...



http://images37.fotosik.pl/1997/16239b29a7d534d9.jpg


http://images39.fotosik.pl/1974/0b948237dcd4f354.jpg

Note: all the houses were originally built between the 15th and 18th centuries and that is why they were beautifully reconstructed. Some facades obtained additional details, ornaments, which were restored based on the pre-1793 drawings (also, some extra sgraffitos have been painted by Polish artists to make the Royal Route even more impressive).
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Piwna Street before the war

http://images38.fotosik.pl/1982/239287699b2bb17a.jpg

In the 60s (again, we can see many differences, because Polish architects reconstructed all the pre-1793 facades + built some of their own projects, where accurate documentation was unavailable)

http://images47.fotosik.pl/1756/649a6cf756bf8187.jpg

^ Shortly after WW2

http://images47.fotosik.pl/1756/6e34ffa958d06d98.jpg

Chlebnicka Street before WW2 and now


Gothic house (originally built in 1520) at 14 Chlebnicka Street was dismantled in 1822. It was carefully reconstructed after the war and now is one of the most stunning tenements in Gdansk. Of course, this place was almost completely flattened during the war.

One more pre-war photo...
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Chlebnicka 14 wasn't demolished, but relocated. Front of the house in poor condition was bought anonymously by the king Frederick Wilhelm III in 1822 and then taken to Potsdam. It's still existing there, well preserved:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pf...iershaus_K.jpg
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