daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > World Forums > Architecture > European Classic Architecture and Landscapes

European Classic Architecture and Landscapes All related to historical buildings and landscapes of the old world.



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old February 28th, 2014, 11:06 AM   #1081
TheReconstructer
Registered User
 
TheReconstructer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hoorn
Posts: 528
Likes (Received): 176

Quote:
Originally Posted by RS_UK-PL View Post
Do you see any house worthy faithful reconstruction in this picture?
A few houses that deserve to get reconstructed, but glass buildings aren't part of an inner city either, eh?
__________________
WestfryslÔn moin thuus!

Rombi liked this post
TheReconstructer no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old February 28th, 2014, 11:48 AM   #1082
RS_UK-PL
Registered User
 
RS_UK-PL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: R-L1029
Posts: 2,301
Likes (Received): 3392

Before WW2


2010
RS_UK-PL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2014, 03:35 PM   #1083
TheReconstructer
Registered User
 
TheReconstructer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hoorn
Posts: 528
Likes (Received): 176

These deserve full reconstructions. Are there plans to turn this wasteland into a nice urbanised place?
__________________
WestfryslÔn moin thuus!
TheReconstructer no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2014, 05:05 PM   #1084
RS_UK-PL
Registered User
 
RS_UK-PL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: R-L1029
Posts: 2,301
Likes (Received): 3392

Kd Kozikowski Design




__________________

rychlik, Ultra84 liked this post
RS_UK-PL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2014, 06:56 PM   #1085
intervention
planning inaction
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Toronto
Posts: 2,033

Are those designs part of a comprehensive and active plan? Or, has the redevelopment of the island fallen by the wayside?

From what I remember, a Spanish company purchased the land only to not be able to redevelop due to a dire financial situation?
intervention no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2014, 07:46 PM   #1086
william of waco
Registered User
 
william of waco's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Hill Country
Posts: 233
Likes (Received): 258

Quote:
Originally Posted by RS_UK-PL View Post
Kd Kozikowski Design


The city planners seem bent on keeping Gdansk as just another side-trip city. Tourists will most likely be put off by these modernistic additions and head as quickly as possible for the usual destinations. St. Mary's, the old arsenal, Green Gate, the Long Market and Artus Court, the old crane on the waterfront.

The Poles need to do what they have done for centuries. Bring in Dutch, Flemish, and German architects to construct buildings that will help put Gdansk back on the architectural map.
__________________

TheReconstructer, Oslo2022 liked this post
william of waco no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2014, 09:52 PM   #1087
Urbanista1
Here and Now
 
Urbanista1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,426
Likes (Received): 5284

They don't need to bring experts from anywhere, although other experts would be welcome and appreciated. Poles rebuilt all the old towns as much as they could for the times, and became masters in the art of restoration and reconstruction worldwide, even reviving ancient ways of doing things from glazing to millwork to create authentic looking reconstructions.

But I do agree, some more accurate reconstruction ion Gdansk is needed and I won't mind some nice in fill. Some of above is good, but more of this frontage needs to be a reconstruction.
__________________
ten rząd wstrząsa podstawami naszej państwowości i funkcjonowania społeczeństwa. Natomiast większość społeczeństwa śpi, nie zwraca uwagi, co się dzieje i trzeba je z tego snu obudzić - Piotr S


Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present

RS_UK-PL, ufonut, Mruczek, rychlik liked this post
Urbanista1 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2014, 09:59 PM   #1088
bolg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 916
Likes (Received): 759

Quote:
Originally Posted by RS_UK-PL View Post
Before WW2


2010
I agree with TheReconstructer. The above timer framed waterfront needs to be rebuilt, it would look incredibly good.
bolg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old February 28th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #1089
TheReconstructer
Registered User
 
TheReconstructer's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Hoorn
Posts: 528
Likes (Received): 176

Quote:
Originally Posted by bolg View Post
I agree with TheReconstructer. The above timer framed waterfront needs to be rebuilt, it would look incredibly good.
Think of the extra's the reconstructions will give to the port. The port will look, as you said, amazing and maybe the modernist planners should focus more on the outsides of the Stare Miasto and. not. on. the. friggin'. Stare Miasto. itself. unless they have gorgeous plans which fit in great.
__________________
WestfryslÔn moin thuus!

Rombi liked this post
TheReconstructer no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2014, 12:27 AM   #1090
ufonut
Atlantyda
 
ufonut's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 2,011
Likes (Received): 1676

Quote:
Originally Posted by william of waco View Post
The Poles need to do what they have done for centuries. Bring in Dutch, Flemish, and German architects to construct buildings that will help put Gdansk back on the architectural map.
Well the king or any wealthy landowner in Poland could always look outside and bring in foreign talent to design things in Poland. Nowadays the situation is exactly the same - any company operating in Poland can opt for a design studio based in the Netherlands, Germany or any other place and hire them to provide designs.

Even when investments are financed by municipalities or some form of local government tenders are open to any design studio from Europe and they are more than welcome to participate.

So I am not entirely sure what else can Poland do specifically to "bring in Dutch, Flemish or German architects". Surely you are not suggesting some preferential treatment for them which would be illegal.
__________________
Global Trekker
ufonut no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 1st, 2014, 05:20 AM   #1091
Iluminat
Redsigert User
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 11,460
Likes (Received): 4543

Quote:
Originally Posted by william of waco View Post
The city planners seem bent on keeping Gdansk as just another side-trip city. Tourists will most likely be put off by these modernistic additions and head as quickly as possible for the usual destinations. St. Mary's, the old arsenal, Green Gate, the Long Market and Artus Court, the old crane on the waterfront.
And you think soft-lofts resembling some old warehouses would become a tourist magnet all of a sudden

I would say this new buildings should be more interesting in terms of architecture than what was there before.

Quote:
The Poles need to do what they have done for centuries. Bring in Dutch, Flemish, and German architects to construct buildings that will help put Gdansk back on the architectural map.
They are already here among many others and they're designs are mostly similar to what Polish architects propose.
Iluminat no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2014, 02:24 AM   #1092
Sienioslaw
grumpy slav
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Gdanzig
Posts: 256
Likes (Received): 156

Well, here is sad news coming regarding those werehouses - It looks like they started demolishing remains one of them, dating back to 1553/1759 It looks like ground is unstable and all walls could collapse in any time... But there is still hope - they said that, they will disassemble all walls and other historic elements and once they finish stabilising ground, the ruins will be reassembled once again. Time will show if they really did it.



Sienioslaw no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2014, 02:42 AM   #1093
Urbanista1
Here and Now
 
Urbanista1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,426
Likes (Received): 5284

I think it's entirely reasonable to dismantle and then reassemble the building on a more stable footing. I'm sure they will do it, no reason not to, Gdansk's historic buildings are very important to the city's identity. Would like to see the partial ruins above actual rebuilt where the original components are differentiated...and there must be original bricks and building components of these structures warehoused somewhere or at least some on site still.
__________________
ten rząd wstrząsa podstawami naszej państwowości i funkcjonowania społeczeństwa. Natomiast większość społeczeństwa śpi, nie zwraca uwagi, co się dzieje i trzeba je z tego snu obudzić - Piotr S


Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present
Urbanista1 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2014, 04:21 AM   #1094
rychlik
BANNED
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Posts: 6,809
Likes (Received): 6603

Quote:
Originally Posted by william of waco View Post
The city planners seem bent on keeping Gdansk as just another side-trip city. Tourists will most likely be put off by these modernistic additions and head as quickly as possible for the usual destinations. St. Mary's, the old arsenal, Green Gate, the Long Market and Artus Court, the old crane on the waterfront.

The Poles need to do what they have done for centuries. Bring in Dutch, Flemish, and German architects to construct buildings that will help put Gdansk back on the architectural map.
A bit condescending and arrogant don't you think? First of all, those modernist designs are quite nice. No need to get any architects outside of the country to re-develop this area. Modern architecture, like it or not transcends borders. Things built in Poland could be built in Germany and Holland and vice versa. Concerning the timber framed buildings, I don't think they were of that great historical value. Certainly nothing to drool over.

Tourists, especially German ones, should be very very grateful that Gdansk was rebuilt they way it was. In my opinion it's up there with Warsaw and Wrocław in terms of what was achieved.
__________________

Urbanista1 liked this post

Last edited by rychlik; March 2nd, 2014 at 04:30 AM.
rychlik no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2014, 11:43 AM   #1095
RS_UK-PL
Registered User
 
RS_UK-PL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: R-L1029
Posts: 2,301
Likes (Received): 3392

Romanesque St.Nicholas Church (built in ca.1170)




Romanesque Dominican Church (built in ca.1235)


Soon Romanesque Dominican Monastery chapter house (second half of the 13th century) will be open to the public - link
__________________

Urbanista1, rychlik liked this post

Last edited by RS_UK-PL; March 2nd, 2014 at 01:43 PM.
RS_UK-PL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 2nd, 2014, 11:25 PM   #1096
bolg
Registered User
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Stockholm
Posts: 916
Likes (Received): 759

Quote:
Originally Posted by Iluminat View Post
And you think soft-lofts resembling some old warehouses would become a tourist magnet all of a sudden
My view is that people visit Gdansk for its historic cityscape, not individual buildings. And while the warehouses themselves probably would'nt attract gawking tourists, they'd certainly add to the classic cityscape in a positive way and improve the overall experience of the city.
__________________

Mruczek, Rombi, D3vilo, Galro liked this post
bolg no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old March 3rd, 2014, 12:04 PM   #1097
RS_UK-PL
Registered User
 
RS_UK-PL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: R-L1029
Posts: 2,301
Likes (Received): 3392

"Pyeśń Nowa o Gdańsku" (1577) and Polish-Kashubian books by Szymon Krofej/Szimˇn Krofey (pastor of the Lutheran church in Bytˇw/BŰtow˛) and Michał Mostnik/Mich˘ł Pontanus (Lutheran pastor from Smołdzino/Sm˘łdzŰno) published in Gdańsk/Gduńsk
__________________

Urbanista1, Domen123 liked this post

Last edited by RS_UK-PL; March 3rd, 2014 at 04:00 PM.
RS_UK-PL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 10th, 2014, 02:00 PM   #1098
RS_UK-PL
Registered User
 
RS_UK-PL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: R-L1029
Posts: 2,301
Likes (Received): 3392





















__________________

rychlik liked this post

Last edited by RS_UK-PL; April 11th, 2014 at 11:34 AM.
RS_UK-PL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 10th, 2014, 02:07 PM   #1099
RS_UK-PL
Registered User
 
RS_UK-PL's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: R-L1029
Posts: 2,301
Likes (Received): 3392























__________________

Marbur66, rychlik, Błażej liked this post

Last edited by RS_UK-PL; April 11th, 2014 at 06:44 PM.
RS_UK-PL no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old April 10th, 2014, 05:44 PM   #1100
Urbanista1
Here and Now
 
Urbanista1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 7,426
Likes (Received): 5284

amazing pictures. what I often wonder about is how people lived in these ruins for decades. It would have taken atleast until the 1970's before it looked like a city again, meanwhile a generation grew up.
__________________
ten rząd wstrząsa podstawami naszej państwowości i funkcjonowania społeczeństwa. Natomiast większość społeczeństwa śpi, nie zwraca uwagi, co się dzieje i trzeba je z tego snu obudzić - Piotr S


Warsaw Post-War Reconstruction to Present

cameronpaul liked this post
Urbanista1 no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
gdańsk, gdansk

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 07:15 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2017 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

Hosted by Blacksun, dedicated to this site too!
Forum server management by DaiTengu