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Old October 14th, 2015, 03:54 PM   #1181
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Most of the projects in Gdansk are only mildly referential to historic forms. Case in point, the Hilton or the projects on the islands.
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Old October 14th, 2015, 04:46 PM   #1182
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Yes, most are very postmodern or even modernist with just slight references. I think the city should be true to its fabric more, keeping the harmony and blending new and old better. Especially the old town is no place for egomaniac architects leaving their stinky dump.

The Blond Guy: Sorry, it was a misunderstanding from the caption, it was finished in the mid 2000s, but the pics were from 2015.
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Old October 14th, 2015, 06:35 PM   #1183
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Well, I mean, in the case of Gdansk, it's nice to have a mixture of forms. Some of the modern interpretations of historic forms look quite nice - like the Hilton (which is more modern) and even the Radisson (which has a "historic" but post-1945 facade). Gdansk's efforts have largely been successful in at least recalling what the architecture of the place was like in the past and overall I think most people will agree that the overall impact is better than taking a completely carte blanche approach.

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Old December 18th, 2015, 10:39 AM   #1184
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Construction of this row of tenaments has started this month. Completion date is set for 2017.

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Old December 18th, 2015, 10:56 AM   #1185
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Artistic facades are the new rage in Gdansk.

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Old December 18th, 2015, 04:26 PM   #1186
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Excellent renovations of basic, socialist-realist inspired historicism in Gdansk. Love the sgraffito and/or embellishments.
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Old December 18th, 2015, 04:52 PM   #1187
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Why did they decide for socialist-realism instead of reconstructions? Those buildings are nicely renovated, but they're kinda bland...
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Old December 18th, 2015, 07:42 PM   #1188
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Why did they decide for socialist-realism instead of reconstructions? Those buildings are nicely renovated, but they're kinda bland...
architecture can't help reflect the aesthetic styles and politics of the period. so, socialist realism prevalent during the Soviet Communist occupation of Poland post war was reflected in the reconstructions. Another reason was probably that there may have been a lack of documentation but I strongly suspect it was financial, Poland was destroyed and impoverished post war, so it was miracle that so many historic bourgeois buildings were rebuilt during this post war communist period. In any case, many mercantile buildings didn't always have that much decoration. The Dutch Mannerist style could be quite spare. In cases where the original silhouette and basic form was rebuilt, I think in the future, some ornamentation may also return, this has been the case in Warsaw Old Town in recent years. It's hard to find documentation for such small details as well.
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Old December 18th, 2015, 08:20 PM   #1189
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This style is not typical socrealism, it's pretty hard to say what it actually is...
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Why did they decide for socialist-realism instead of reconstructions? Those buildings are nicely renovated, but they're kinda bland...
We tend to look at reconstruction as a foregone conclusion in modern times. Meaning, we always say: "why didn't they just rebuild x?" (I'm guilty of this too).

Here's an interesting quote from Buero Kopernikus / Jacek Friedrich regarding the culture of reconstruction in Gdansk:

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Sentiments revealed during this several-year long discussion preceding the reconstruction of Gdańsk were from both extremes of the argument. The concept of reconstructing the historic centre in accordance with historical patterns was gaining more ground. Some, however, advocated reconstruction in the modern framework. A particularly fierce protest against historical reconstruction was voiced by Henryk Tetzlaff, who demanded a complete reconstruction of the centre in a modernistic character:

[...] where the old commercial centre of Gdańsk was located, where its windy and narrow streets were running, we will build a modern housing district with wide, sunny communication routes, gardens and parks extending over picturesque canals and water of the former centre. We will thus create a model of a modern, seaside city with a separate commercial district and separate residential area. The ideal living conditions for the man of labour are contained in the expression: „Do not live where you work.“2
So we can see there was a tussle about what the mode of "reconstruction" should be. Eventually, this was the result and we can see this in Gdansk's "historicist" architecture today, particularly outside of the main sites:

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Subsequent events confirm that tendency: in 1947, the voivodship conservator decided to extend his custody over Główne Miasto [the City Centre], together with Wyspa Spichrzów, and December of the same year witnessed the opening of the exhibition, where the city development plan was presented, providing for the construction of the administrative and commercial centre in the central district of Gdańsk, and preserving the historical character of a portion of the city. The views of the proponents of modernist solutions did meet with a response. Further debate and the actual reconstruction of the historical centre clearly shows an attempt to forge a synthesis of historical options with „modernist“ proposals.
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This style is not typical socrealism, it's pretty hard to say what it actually is...
You're very right! I've always seen is as Socialist-Realist, Semi-Functionalist ... with a "Gdansk" Roof.
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Old December 19th, 2015, 12:15 AM   #1192
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Probably you wouldn't have many associations with socrealism if not for the time they were built though. It's more like historicism with some modernist influence since buildings were actually shortened to provide more sunlight etc.
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Probably you wouldn't have many associations with socrealism if not for the time they were built though. It's more like historicism with some modernist influence since buildings were actually shortened to provide more sunlight etc.
You're quite right in terms of the simple blocks. The more ornate buildings built in certain sections of Dlugi Targ offer more compelling reasons to be considered socialist-realism (....which I actually really like).
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I can't read Polish, but i came across this picture on the Polish forum. Is this a building in a somewhat old style that's going to get built?


Wczesną wiosną ruszą prace związane z przebudową kamienicy przy Długim Targu w samym sercu Gdańska. Oprócz tego dobudowana zostanie część przy ul. Mieszczańskiej.

We wnętrzach powstanie trzygwiazdkowy IBB Hotel Długi Targ.

Początkowo adaptacja miała rozpocząć się już we wrześniu zeszłego roku, ale inwestor - Von der Heyden Group - ze względu na zmiany w projekcie aranżacji parteru przełożył ten termin na pierwszy kwartał nowego roku.

Na czterech piętrach hotelu znajdzie się 90 pokoi oraz apartamentów. Około 1 tys. m kw. powierzchni przeznaczone zostanie na usługi, takie jak restauracja, salon piękności oraz butiki. trójmiasto.pl
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This is renovation of old bulding. (https://www.google.pl/maps/@54.34832...7i13312!8i6656 - yellow, red and gray one in the center).
They will also attache new, stylized bulding in the courtyard.
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Old April 15th, 2016, 01:28 AM   #1197
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The pictures speak for themselves.
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Again, the Polish do it the best.

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Old April 26th, 2016, 07:52 AM   #1200
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gdansk-wroclaw

i love gdansk but was a bit disappointed during my last visit....so much still hasnt been rebuilt....ie granary island being the main thing.....hated the exterior and location of the new shakspere theater...i visited wroclaw the year before and was blown away ....theres so much progress there in restoring the town....whole parts of town are being renewed....maybe its because so much more of pre war wroclaw survived but i used to put gdansk on par with wroclaw but no longer....wroclaw clearly blows gdansk away though i might be tempted in the summertime to visit gdansk over wroclaw simply based on its proximity to the sea and nearby sopot....gdansk seems to be sitting on its laurels so i dont see any reason to return anytime soon
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