Hakuna Matata lounge

[xJamaax]

Originally Posted by Uhuru na Umoja

...you gays have serious problems, so kiswahili is whose language? kenya? first, you dont even know how to speak swahili and if you do its largely broken...what do you know of swahili and it's history? fuck the spirit of east africa.


swahili has foreign words due to our creativity to exclude tribal words..so we can have tribal free society.


I have always taught you issues of probabilities, a probability is a probability and never a reality; the reality is, we speak swahili.



..and julius Nyerere made it not only for instruction...but for everything, do you have any problem with that? why Kenyans are so obsessed with Tanzania? you dont see us in kenyan sub-forum doing what you do here...whats up with you gays?

The fact is, a White man decided you should use Swahili as your language of instruction and if that same White man wanted otherwise, you will not be coming here to spew all this crap.

You see, you have been mentally colonized to believe Swahili is your language and that you are the ones who instituted it when it's clearly not the case. A White man decided it for you.Wake up bro!

I would have been more convinced if after colonization, you came up with an exclusive Tanzanian language that you can boast about but instead you chose to hang on the colonial relics without any notice.

So the fact that Swahili has like 35% of loaned words from Arabic and about 15% of loan words from other foreign words doesnt sound something African to boast about and the worst is it was instituted countrywide by foreigners.

At least we have many pure African languages still existing and we can use them whenever we feel like besides using the "foreign" languages for convenience.

You on the other hand have to come here to boast on something the foreigners instituted without even noticing it.

Once again, the two countries are the way they are due to colonization. We should just work together to come up with something East African instead of clinging to the divisions created during the colonial times and which are still being used to exploit some countries.

[Mintali]

This two guys should really read the history of Swahili well, they don't understand anything. Swahili was derived from the Ngozi people who used to live in Shungwaya, the region on the Kenyan coast near the Somalia border. The Ngozi interacted with the Arabs and thus Swahili was born. The Sultan of Zanzibar then made Swahili the state language of Zanzibar. Right now, there are more people in Kenya of the Swahili ethnicity than in Tanzania so am wondering how foreign Swahili is to Kenya.

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

Have u patented it? how can words from Swahili (Tanzanian) to be intellectual property of another side way country? Read the story under and tell me how do u think these words r Kenyan? If at all u also uses Kilimanjaro name countless times even having a street named after the Mt in Nairobi i.e. ?

South Africa runs away with words made in Kenya
Published on

By Joe Kiarie
Kenya has for the last four decades enjoyed a unique global status as the homeland of celebrated words and phrases, some of which have become the face of tourism in the world.
The words, most of which have Swahili origin, have been embraced in all corners of the world. Mention words like hakuna matata, jambo, safari, nyama choma and harambee across the world and immediately Kenya comes to mind.
Nyama choma is among the attraction South Africa is touting ahead of the World Cup. [PHOTO:FILE/STANDARD]


However, the deep attachment the country has to this rich cultural heritage is staring at apparent dilution as the continent hosts the Fifa World Cup next year.
Catchy Phrases
While Kenya has extremely trimmed the use of these catchy phrases and words in favour of the Magical Kenya tag in marketing its tourism, South Africa, hosts of the world’s prime soccer tournament, is riding high on their eminence in the run-up to the event.
From accommodation amenities to television shows, local delicacies, tours and even the construction of railway systems, these words are now at the heart of World Cup preparations.

Thank you for confirming my point

[mwanamwiwa]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

Have u patented it? how can words from Swahili (Tanzanian) to be intellectual property of another side way country? Read the story under and tell me how do u think these words r Kenyan? If at all u also uses Kilimanjaro name countless times even having a street named after the Mt in Nairobi i.e. ?

South Africa runs away with words made in Kenya
Published on

By Joe Kiarie
Kenya has for the last four decades enjoyed a unique global status as the homeland of celebrated words and phrases, some of which have become the face of tourism in the world.
The words, most of which have Swahili origin, have been embraced in all corners of the world. Mention words like hakuna matata, jambo, safari, nyama choma and harambee across the world and immediately Kenya comes to mind.
Nyama choma is among the attraction South Africa is touting ahead of the World Cup.

Hakuna matata is a Kenyan slogan.This infatuation with everything Kenyan® needs to end.Claiming Swahili is a Tanzanian concept is as ridiculous as one can get.

[lady gaga]

[mwanamwiwa]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

If at all u also uses Kilimanjaro name countless times even having a street named after the Mt in Nairobi i.e.

We have already solved the Kilimanjaro issue,both countries can rightfully use the name whenever they wish.

[xJamaax]

Originally Posted by mwanamwiwa

Hakuna matata is a Kenyan slogan.This infatuation with everything Kenyan® needs to end.Claiming Swahili is a Tanzanian concept is as ridiculous as one can get.

lol@ the ® .

I think you are right, Tanzania can use words like Ujamaa, Bongo, Nyerere e.t.c instead of claiming our copyrighted and registered words.

Funny how this thread has turned into a Kenya-Tanzania affair.

[Mintali]

Here is a link to some history of Swahili.
http://e-gli.com/swahili/
You can also read Jack D. Rollins book, 'A History of Swahili Prose'
Then tell me how foreign Swahili is to Kenya. Sometimes I laugh when some clowns here go about yelling how 'Kenyans are stealing their language' when the language is actually Kenyan.

[kijan]

No one or no community can lay claim to a language or even a saying, a language is a medium of communication and languages borrow from each other. And NO one can pinpoint the origin of a language because this is not an invention that gets launched, it grows and evolves over time until a specific dialect gets adopted.

Is there a way that we can appreciate each other with the whole Kenya vs Tanzania routine? This is getting old. No one owns Kiswahili. Unfortunately the official Swahili dialect that is used is the Zanzibari dialect, by the way this is not of our making but was decided so as to make it easier for the british to rule us.

Let's raise points that develop not useless accusations, finger pointing and innuendos.

[xJamaax]

Originally Posted by kijan

No one or no community can lay claim to a language or even a saying, a language is a medium of communication and languages borrow from each other. And NO one can pinpoint the origin of a language because this is not an invention that gets launched, it grows and evolves over time until a specific dialect gets adopted.

Is there a way that we can appreciate each other with the whole Kenya vs Tanzania routine? This is getting old. No one owns Kiswahili. Unfortunately the official Swahili dialect that is used is the Zanzibari dialect, by the way this is not of our making but was decided so as to make it easier for the british to rule us.

Let's raise points that develop not useless accusations, finger pointing and innuendos.

That's what I was telling your friends here. Actually it's the Germans that decided, the Brits only left how things were when they took over.

The Germans wanted Tanzanians to have no access to their language so that they can brainwash them easily and exploit them peacefully. They even created a curricular specifically meant for Tanzanians.

But you are right, this back and forth arguments between the two countries is to a more extent pointless.

[Deebo.]

Originally Posted by Mintali

Deeba, 'Hakuna Matata' is a Kenyan slogan. Mwanamwiwa is just wondering why someone uses a Kenyan slogan to come up with a Tanzanian lounge. Its like a Ghanian coming up with something like 'Oga Lounge' or 'Igwe Lounge' in the Ghanian forum.

I see....i thought swahili is also spoken in tanzania.

[lady gaga]

I believe that this the General chatting convos in the Hakuna Matat lounge because of the name

[xJamaax]

Originally Posted by Deebo.

I see....i thought swahili is also spoken in tanzania.

It's like the way English is used in the US and Australia but there are words and phrases that are typically American than Australian and vice versa and have formed a bit of an identity to the given country.

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by Deebo.

I see....i thought swahili is also spoken in tanzania.

Its not the language am talking about, its the slogan.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

hen Kenya's Minister of Education Sam Ongeri recently lamented the poor performance of primary school pupils in national examinations of Kiswahili, and ordered an investigation into the matter, it was reminiscent of an oft-quoted saying in East Africa: www.afroarticles.com

A primary school child in eastern Kenya will eat boiled maize for lunch, and it might be the only decent meal he has, for all the time he is in primary school-- of boiled maize mixed with beans. This dual incentive to get on in life, and to have a full stomach, doesn't exist in Tanzania and Uganda. In Uganda, the lazy, the enterprising, the not-so-poor, and the rich all tend to go to bed well fed on something. It is the closest to an equal-dinner-eating-opportunity country in the region.

"Tanzanians are the kings and queens of Kiswahili" allafrica.com/stories

[kijan]

In 1928, in a Mombasa meeting the British, not the Germans decide to standardize Swahili by selecting the Zanzibari dialect.

Again this is history, no relevance here, this has now been derailed to become a pissing contest between Kenya & Tanzania. Can we get a moderator that can keep this forum about Tanzania, stop the I am better than you attitude. Tanzania is not any less of a country than Kenya and their plans for development are not any less likely to succeed.

This has to stop. Kenya is not better than Tanzania.

[xJamaax]

Originally Posted by kijan

In 1928, in a Mombasa meeting the British, not the Germans decide to standardize Swahili by selecting the Zanzibari dialect.

Again this is history, no relevance here, this has now been derailed to become a pissing contest between Kenya & Tanzania. Can we get a moderator that can keep this forum about Tanzania, stop the I am better than you attitude. Tanzania is not any less of a country than Kenya and their plans for development are not any less likely to succeed.

This has to stop. Kenya is not better than Tanzania.

I agree, I think we should get a mod here!

By the way, are you forgetting the Brits took Tanzania after WW1?The Germans had already decided an African language should be used instead of German.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by kijan

No one or no community can lay claim to a language or even a saying, a language is a medium of communication and languages borrow from each other. And NO one can pinpoint the origin of a language because this is not an invention that gets launched, it grows and evolves over time until a specific dialect gets adopted.

Is there a way that we can appreciate each other with the whole Kenya vs Tanzania routine? This is getting old. No one owns Kiswahili. Unfortunately the official Swahili dialect that is used is the Zanzibari dialect, by the way this is not of our making but was decided so as to make it easier for the british to rule us.

Let's raise points that develop not useless accusations, finger pointing and innuendos.

these are your opinions, we can not entertain these kenyan fools....and you cant see us on their sub-forum, we use our language and start a thread "hakuna matata" the said its their slogan from when? do they even know how to speak swahili, wewe hawa wadwanzi sio wakuwaangalia wanaharibu kila kitu tunachanzisha, sasa kama wewe utacheza nao ni wewe but sisi tutawapa kubwa all the time.

for years they have been cheating the world that mountain kilimanjaro is their's.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by xJamaax

That's what I was telling your friends here. Actually it's the Germans that decided, the Brits only left how things were when they took over.

The Germans wanted Tanzanians to have no access to their language so that they can brainwash them easily and exploit them peacefully. They even created a curricular specifically meant for Tanzanians.

But you are right, this back and forth arguments between the two countries is to a more extent pointless.

you are such a fool....swahili was just used by german as an administrative language and never national languge, it was Julius Nyerere made a national language. what do you know? can you teach as our mother tongue?? you can talk of your tribalist languages but not swahili...

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by kijan

In 1928, in a Mombasa meeting the British, not the Germans decide to standardize Swahili by selecting the Zanzibari dialect.

Again this is history, no relevance here, this has now been derailed to become a pissing contest between Kenya & Tanzania. Can we get a moderator that can keep this forum about Tanzania, stop the I am better than you attitude. Tanzania is not any less of a country than Kenya and their plans for development are not any less likely to succeed.

This has to stop. Kenya is not better than Tanzania.

kijan moderator has done a lot no one invited them here....if you look at our sub-forum lot of threads have been open by Kenyans to spoil things for us coz if we are for derailment you would surely find us in kenyan sub-forum, but we are not there....what are all these with these people every time??