Hakuna Matata lounge

[SE9]

Originally Posted by bantugbro

Its high time now people should start paying royalties fees for drawing their inspiration from our nature sites and indigenous knowledge...

I agree... but you could argue that the "royalty fees" come in the form of increased tourist numbers to all African safari countries because of the film.

You can imagine how many American families watched the Lion King and thought "wow, I want to see a wild lion in real-life"... and then booked a holiday to Africa.

[SE9]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

The event was to commemorate the Lion King movie! and those guys giving account took part in the movie production that we r talking about! BTW if the producers of the movie visited Kenya what makes u think they didn't visit the Serengeti in Tanzania if till today their memories r on the Serengeti and not the "HELL" gate Park that u r yapping about?

I clearly quoted the co-directors of the Lion King (Roger Allers & Rob Minkoff) and the head writer of the Lion King (Brenda Chapman).

If you prefer to continue to ignore these facts then fine, but there's nothing I can do about it.

[bantugbro]

Originally Posted by SE9

I agree... but you could argue that the "royalty fees" come in the form of increased tourist numbers to all African safari countries because of the film.

You can imagine how many American families watched the Lion King and thought "wow, I want to see a wild lion in real-life"... and then booked a holiday to Africa.

Number of tourists is one thing and the issue of Property Right is another.

The behavior should never be condoned

[SE9]

How would you implement it...

Would you charge film-makers a fee if their movie uses your places or culture?

[bantugbro]

Originally Posted by SE9

How would you implement it...

Would you charge film-makers a fee if their movie uses your places or culture?

I will do exactly that

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by SE9

I clearly quoted the co-directors of the Lion King (Roger Allers & Rob Minkoff) and the head writer of the Lion King (Brenda Chapman).

If you prefer to continue to ignore these facts then fine, but there's nothing I can do about it.

but them coming there is not a big deal, it is like a movie star visiting the Serengeti and then shoot a movie the two can remain unrelated! U just need to agree that Kenya capitalized on that visit...since if u read their interviews they talked of the Serengeti more than even that Hell gate! Actually haven't seen the Hell gate thing!

[Geza Ulole]

Back to the point what makes u think hakuna Matata phrase is Kenyan? Is it since the The Lion King white guy heard the phrase first while in Kenya? Can someone prove to us that before that those words never existed? Or those phrase just confirm to us that Kenyans are opportunists and like to fight for anything to make theirs even a catchy phrase! Why not then patented that phrase for it to remain exclusively Kenyan!?

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by SE9

Nope, just sloppy journalism.

That article is all about the stage play in Las Vegas (which uses South African actors)... not about the movie.


1) The title says "South Africa" because most of the actors in the Las Vegas stage play are South African.

2) The journalist says "spirit of the Serengeti" because he didn't check his facts ().





The Disney directors, head writers etc. made it perfectly clear where they visited in Kenya, and where they got their inspiration from

nice explanation, some people will insist on 'viable sources' when they find something they like in those 'viable sources' but will insist on a confused journalist's article when the viable source doesn't give what they want to hear. If the directors of the movie are giving Kenya as the setting, can some journalist change this?

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

Back to the point what makes u think hakuna Matata phrase is Kenyan? Is it since the The Lion King white guy heard the phrase first while in Kenya? Can someone prove to us that before that those words never existed? Or those phrase just confirm to us that Kenyans are opportunists and like to fight for anything to make theirs even a catchy phrase! Why not then patented that phrase for it to remain exclusively Kenyan!?

I said this and your pretending to ignore my previous post is making me say this again, the phrase 'Hakuna Matata' was first done in Safari Sound Band's song ''Jambo bwana, Kenya Hakuna Matata'', a song that is one of Kenya's independence songs and it is sung during all of Kenya's national holidays. The Lion King used an already existing phrase thus only popularised it.'
A similar thing happened with the song 'Malaika' that was orignally done by Fadhili Williams. Today, everybody thinks malaika was done by S. Africa's Miriam Makeba who only did a remix of the song and since she was more famous than Fadhili, many people who don't kno gives her credit.

[mwanamwiwa]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

but them coming there is not a big deal, it is like a movie star visiting the Serengeti and then shoot a movie the two can remain unrelated! U just need to agree that Kenya capitalized on that visit!...since if u read their interviews they the Serengeti more than even that Hell gate!

I see why this has been bothering you.

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by mwanamwiwa

I see why this has been bothering you.

[Geza Ulole]

since when Kenyans r musicians Fadhili William stole the song from a Tanzanian Aadam Salim even Miriam Makeba acknowledge that even the great Makeba acknowledge that with "this is the Song from Tanzania..."

[Mintali]

Mwanamwiwa was really observant on this

Originally Posted by mwanamwiwa

I see why this has been bothering you.

A

[Mintali]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

since when Kenyans r musicians Fadhili William stole the song from a Tanzanian Aadam Salim even Miriam Makeba acknowledge that even the great Makeba acknowledge that with "this is the Song from Tanzania..."

Just like I said Geza, your cycle of arguing is quite predictable - you say something then proceed to tell your opponent to prove you wrong, If they don't, you feel like you've won, if they do, you pretend to ignore their point and start another argument on something else. Likewise if someone says something, you also ask them to proove themselves(it is always your opponent who should do the prooving, not you), if they don't proove themselves right, you consider yourself a winner, if they do, again you pretend to ignore their point and start an argument on something else!!

[kijan]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

since when Kenyans r musicians Fadhili William stole the song from a Tanzanian Aadam Salim even Miriam Makeba acknowledge that even the great Makeba acknowledge that with "this is the Song from Tanzania..."

Guys!!! Who cares, right now you may even find the Disney guys own the copy right for the statement. We now live in a global world nothing is sacred anymore; even the most traditional....... Standard chartered bank for example; very British? Singaporean. No one in Tz has the copy right for Malaika, as is with no one in KE has the rights to Hakuna matata. If any one has sue and let's get over this or else this a waste of time and energy for no reason.

Lets assume one of the 2 groups wins the argument what next? Solve world hunger???

[kiligoland]

Originally Posted by kijan

Guys!!! Who cares, right now you may even find the Disney guys own the copy right for the statement. We now live in a global world nothing is sacred anymore; even the most traditional....... Standard chartered bank for example; very British? Singaporean. No one in Tz has the copy right for Malaika, as is with no one in KE has the rights to Hakuna matata. If any one has sue and let's get over this or else this a waste of time and energy for no reason.

Lets assume one of the 2 groups wins the argument what next? Solve world hunger???

+1000000000

[bantugbro]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

since when Kenyans r musicians Fadhili William stole the song from a Tanzanian Aadam Salim even Miriam Makeba acknowledge that even the great Makeba acknowledge that with "this is the Song from Tanzania..."

+10000

[bantugbro]

Originally Posted by kijan

Guys!!! Who cares, right now you may even find the Disney guys own the copy right for the statement. We now live in a global world nothing is sacred anymore; even the most traditional....... Standard chartered bank for example; very British? Singaporean. No one in Tz has the copy right for Malaika, as is with no one in KE has the rights to Hakuna matata. If any one has sue and let's get over this or else this a waste of time and energy for no reason.

Lets assume one of the 2 groups wins the argument what next? Solve world hunger???

Great observation, from now on lets continue with our "Hakuna Matata Lounge" in peace with no qualms, queers, and, grudges...

[mwanamwiwa]

Originally Posted by Mintali

Just like I said Geza, your cycle of arguing is quite predictable - you say something then proceed to tell your opponent to prove you wrong, If they don't, you feel like you've won, if they do, you pretend to ignore their point and start another argument on something else. Likewise if someone says something, you also ask them to proove themselves(it is always your opponent who should do the prooving, not you), if they don't proove themselves right, you consider yourself a winner, if they do, again you pretend to ignore their point and start an argument on something else!!

+1

He is useless,embarassing Tanzanians day in and day out.

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

since when Kenyans r musicians Fadhili William stole the song from a Tanzanian Aadam Salim even Miriam Makeba acknowledge that even the great Makeba acknowledge that with "this is the Song from Tanzania..."

Dude you are pitiful!Your obsession with everything Kenyan® needs to stop.

[Uhuru na Umoja]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

since when Kenyans r musicians Fadhili William stole the song from a Tanzanian Aadam Salim even Miriam Makeba acknowledge that even the great Makeba acknowledge that with "this is the Song from Tanzania..."

Any form of theft will not be tolerated, for so long Kenya has been deceiving the world about the true location of Mountain Kilimanjaro, now “malaika song, hakuna matata, nyama choma” Swahili words that they cant even pronounce.

Some forumers have "age" problem and some are so much behind in terms of knowledge, we just have cope with them.