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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:10 AM   #21
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I'm actually a bit surprised it took so long. Considering how hell-bent NKs leaders have been about making the country look modern, you'd think they'd have replaced their aging fleet some time ago.

Would JS be a possible Comac customer, considering North Korea's ties to China?
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Old January 20th, 2013, 09:37 AM   #22
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That's not unlikely, although with the An 148 it's unlikely they will also go for the ARJ21. The C919 is probably a better candidate, but that is an option for after 2016 of course. It won't help them now with the Chinese ban on the older planes.
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:05 AM   #23
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Is it possible for North Korea to do what Iran does and buy Boeing or Airbus second handed?
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:31 AM   #24
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where can they fly, there is only one major city that has people travelling between pyongyang and that is beijing, but it is only served 3 weekly, they cant fly to south korea, japan i dont think so, mongolia too little people, russia far east too little people,
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Old January 20th, 2013, 10:44 AM   #25
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Moscow, the Middle East.

They won't have to be regular scheduled flights, you can think of tourist charters. There was some talks of charter flights for Koryo tours directly from Berlin the last couple of years, although I don't think they materialized.

If they would make it a bit more easy to get into the country it could open up a significant tourist stream. People are curious to look into to such a closed country, but some of the current barriers prevent people from actually going.

If they would get 1 or 2 A332s it could be more then enough for a small expansion of their operations.


Does anybody actually know if it's the sanctions prevents them from buying Airbus/Boeing or is it that they just don't want to buy Western planes?
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Old January 20th, 2013, 11:15 AM   #26
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don't they fly to Malaysia too or has that been cancelled??
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Does anybody actually know if it's the sanctions prevents them from buying Airbus/Boeing or is it that they just don't want to buy Western planes?
Yes there are sanctions, the ban contains everything what's suitable for military usage. But I don't know if China supports the sanctions policy.
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Moscow, the Middle East.

They won't have to be regular scheduled flights, you can think of tourist charters. There was some talks of charter flights for Koryo tours directly from Berlin the last couple of years, although I don't think they materialized.

If they would make it a bit more easy to get into the country it could open up a significant tourist stream. People are curious to look into to such a closed country, but some of the current barriers prevent people from actually going.

If they would get 1 or 2 A332s it could be more then enough for a small expansion of their operations.


Does anybody actually know if it's the sanctions prevents them from buying Airbus/Boeing or is it that they just don't want to buy Western planes?
I would think that parts would be an issue. They couldn't get them straight from the manufacturer, so they'd have to pay extra to a middleman. They'd ultimately still be supporting their enemies though, so it wouldn't be ideal.

Wouldn't the IL-96 be a more palatable alternative?
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Old January 20th, 2013, 06:18 PM   #29
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Yes there are sanctions, the ban contains everything what's suitable for military usage. But I don't know if China supports the sanctions policy.
Isnt Iran also subjected to this sanction? They still buy Airbus and Boeing aircrafts, second handed.
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Iran buys their aircraft via companies in other countries that don't care about the sanctions. But that also means that they can't buy spare parts and that they don't get support from Airbus or Boeing.
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They won't have to be regular scheduled flights
to fly to moscow they need a big aircraft which is too expensive for one city even charters, most airlines dont like charters i think it is because in the long term it is not a good investment, i know in south-east asia if a flight is chartered and sucessful after months they will become scheduled
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Old January 21st, 2013, 11:32 AM   #32
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Does anybody actually know if it's the sanctions prevents them from buying Airbus/Boeing or is it that they just don't want to buy Western planes?
Besides the sanctions on air frames there is also sanctions on spare parts, Western jets need regular maintenance to perform well so I'd imagine they have factored into all that into the decision making process and decided to go all Russian. They can't buy brand new Comac jets neither because they contain very high percentage of American components.

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Yes there are sanctions, the ban contains everything what's suitable for military usage. But I don't know if China supports the sanctions policy.
China is under similar sanction too, the government fleet comprised largely of second hand planes, notably the two 737-3Q8 converted airborne command centers were purchased from the Indonesians. So theoretically North Korea can buy second hand 737 or 320 from Chinese civilian carriers, but then the logistics involved in getting training, parts, D-check, etc will just be too costly.
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Old January 21st, 2013, 01:35 PM   #33
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to fly to moscow they need a big aircraft
They had flights to Moscow using TU204 few years ago

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Old January 21st, 2013, 03:27 PM   #34
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the guys were suggesting air koryo buy boeing or airbus, if they do so and fly to moscow theyll need at least an a330, wondering if they will forcibly waste so much money to do so
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Old January 21st, 2013, 04:24 PM   #35
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Is that's any possibility JS will order Sukhoi Super Jet100
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Old January 21st, 2013, 05:58 PM   #36
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I doubt the american and european suppliers won't deliver components. If they want to fly Airbus, Boeing, DCs and everything else western made, the only opportunity is to get them on the second hand market.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 09:40 AM   #37
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you cant just rely on second hand stuff, how you know there is enough and how safe they are?
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 06:35 PM   #38
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@Asian Dragons:
The condition of second hand stuff mostly depends on how the former users cared about it. Look at the Iran, they don't get spares for their western made A/C from regular sources. The safety record of Irans carriers are not bad, at least for western A/C.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 11:18 PM   #39
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Very different livery has Air Koryo, it looks 70's.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 07:14 AM   #40
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Very different livery has Air Koryo, it looks 70's.
I don't know, I think it's rather pleasant. If they wanted it to be a little more modern, perhaps they could have the lines move up the tail to become the flag, rather than just having a separate flag pasted up there.
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