Metro Manila Skyway

[Solblanc]

Originally Posted by federal

Yes. Right now, C-5 North is putol at UP. I don't know where it will pass through though. Maybe the huge land beside MWSS will be assigned to the C5 North Project. But once it reaches Commonwealth, hindi ko na talaga alam where.

You're right about the skyway thing. EDSA can't take it. C-5 Neither can. That's the real purpose. But unfortunately, our government is too slow. I hope Pangilinan buys a major stake already and get on with this project.

C-5 doesn't even end at UP. C-5 ends at katipunan, with an overpass that goes nowhere

[federal]

what do you mean with an overpass that goes nowhere? ah. the flyover sa baba ng st. ingnatius? hehe. grabe. super tanga gumawa ng c5. d magka-align only in the philippines.

[ryanr]

How will that flyover that they are constructing work anyways? Its a hill. On the the katipunan side they are digging, but on the C-5 side they built a flyover. I'm still wondering what they are doing.

[ryanr]

Originally Posted by renell

one thing to be considered, is the Metro Manila skyway really needed? San Andres to Balintawak was quite quick actually. we might see it finished until Alabang, but the cross-MM part could be postponed until needed. i dont think it is so far

I totally disagree with you. IT IS NEEDED! As i said in my previous post, EDSA and C5 cannot take the traffic volume it currently has to deal with. We desperately need more major routes from the north and other parts of the city to the CBD (Makati). QC ppl can use the skyway from Balintawak to the Buendia exit with ease once completed... It will also make it easier and quicker for goods and people to move from north to south of the metro (or the other way around).

[ryanr]

Originally Posted by GreyX

How will that flyover that they are constructing work anyways? Its a hill. On the the katipunan side they are digging, but on the C-5 side they built a flyover. I'm still wondering what they are doing.

Nevermind...i read the posts in the previous page and they answered my question. A flyover going into a tunnel is quite awesome. That would be great for our road infrastructure.

[renell]

a flyover then into a tunnel eh? quite common in Europe, but havent seen anything like this in NCR. should be cool, but could take a long time.

imo Skyway can wait. C-5 has not yet even been finished to connect NLEX and SLEX. for short-term fixtures, they shuould improve current roads. Skyway's Magallanes-Balintawak phase can wait, say 1-2 years. besides, the Alabang phase isnt even done

[federal]

renell, skyway phase 3 (Buendia-Balintawak) has been quoted as highway of yesterday. IT means super delayed and kailangan na ito. There is no seamless highway connecting our NLEX and SLEX systems. We have EDSA, but I consider EDSA as a commercial throroughfare and it is one of the busiest in the world. Mostly commerce traffic passes through there. What about cargo, logistics and the like? They have to mix with saturated commerce traffic thereby being delayed and losing millions due to lost manpower hours. I reiterate that there has to be a direct link from south to north regions and vice versa. It is true that EDSA is also an intercity highway (crossing several Metro cities) but unfortunately volume-wise, it can't handle more traffic.

On the other hand, I think our country can't afford infrastructure such as the Skyway. I think our economy is still way underdeveloped. But maybe if this thing is up, commerce and trade will boom... hopefully.

[ryanr]

How in the world did we afford to build the first phase of the skyway with no problem anyways? Given time and good political environment, the economy should take off, setting aside lots of funds for infrastructure such as the skyway.

I agree with federal 100%...

@ renell - The flyover part of the C-5 to Katipunan link is almost done, they are just working on the tunnel part now. I'd give it a few more months to complete, less than a year, but i doubt it will finish at September (the target date).

[renell]

well, say it is really needed. then we should have started it a long time ago (i.e. 2002-3) the skyway was done around 1999, and nothing has happened afterwards. the pillars supposed to connect Skyway to Alabang still stands there, waiting for a road to ply over it. i say if somethings holding it back, either find someone to finish it, or find another plan. and should we follow you guys and build it, high prices should hold truck drivers back. it would be for the occasional middle class cars and the chedengs. can't we find another way to go from SLEX to NLEX directly? turning C-5 into a tollway imo is a good idea.

[federal]

if we convert C5 to a tollway, nothing changes. It still can't handle more. You just made people pay toll when they passed thru it. It still the same thing. Nothing added. And besides, C6 (parallel to C5) will be a tollway serving your suggestion. But kaya lang, baka magawa to 2020 pa.....hehe

I agree renell, the concrete pillars are old!!!!! very old!!!! I hope ramos comes back to term. He really did many projects. GMA is so slow.

[ryanr]

Yeah, why make C-5 into a tollway? it doesnt change anything, it might even create more traffic in other routes such as EDSA. It will also make lots of people complain. The best solution is to improve/rehab EDSA and C-5 to make the journey more smooth, BUILD additional commuter lines such as MRT and LRT, regulate bus traffic and BUILD the skyway all the way to Balintawak.

I think the Buendia - Balintawak stretch is more important than the Sucat - Alabang stretch as SLEX is doing fine right now. It doesnt get that congested from sucat to alabang anymore. They also need to fix up SLEX from Magallanes to Paco, it is so messed up with potholes, etc. Magallanes to Alabang is very smooth.

[federal]

well Greyx, I think so too. And besides, phase 3 ( Buendia-Balintawak) is longer and massive! hehe.

On the other hand, if phase 2 (Bicutan-Alabang) is not done still, one lane on either direction at the vicinity of Bicutan of SLEX (where the Skyway ends) will be eaten forever by the make-shift on/off ramps. I think it is where the southbound traffic comes to an almost halt due to bottleneck conditions.

[Solblanc]

Those makeshift onramps must go! The Bicutan bottleneck is bad enough! Who's ever heard of a tollway that changes the number of its lanes a number of times within the span of a few kilometers?

[federal]

i agree Solblanc.

Grabe, I was looking at freeways in Argentina and latin american countries.... damn criss-cross na mga freeways. Napagiiwanan na talaga tayo. GMA is so stubborn.

[renell]

i didnt say tollway, i said something like a tollway. if you remove the traffic lights, you can have a continious traffic from SLEX to NLEX

[ryanr]

sorry, but you said turning it into a tollway in post #69 Well they are working on a series of flyovers over intersections similar to EDSA to make it continious. And besides, the MMDA set up U-turn slots so that you dont have to stop at intersections (red light no longer means stop)

[renell]

ah shit.. youre right. well tollway or no tollway, it should be continious.

another thing, if the Buendia-Balintawak skyway stretch is done, the prices most likely will be high i doubt trucks will be using it everytime. unless of course, our economic situation dramatically improves.

[ryanr]

The should be able to make the skyway's toll fees significantly lower by that time. Jakarta's toll is really cheap, about 30 cents US. So lots of cars and trucks use it all the time.

[federal]

i think they made the toll of the short skyway stretch so high because they are trying to recover their investments. They are trying to "milk" the existing structure. But everyone knows that it will attract much traffic if it completes the whole stretch making the entire line profitable thereby spreading toll charges on the entire route, IF COMPLETED. I REPEAT, IF EVER IT WILL BE COMPLETED. hehe. grabe!!!!! red tape!

[absent-minded]

Originally Posted by GreyX

sorry, but you said turning it into a tollway in post #69 Well they are working on a series of flyovers over intersections similar to EDSA to make it continious. And besides, the MMDA set up U-turn slots so that you dont have to stop at intersections (red light no longer means stop)

oh, so that's why they have to put up all those fly overs. i'm so stupid!! haha...