Is 'scouseness' a higher state of consciousness?

Rollingstone Gather · March 5th, 2012, 02:21 PM

What are the things that define scouse?

For example is it being able to read between the lines, not being naive - is it a 'higher state of consciousness' - not exactly cynicism but acceptance of a reality that isn't detected as easily by other 'peoples'

Do we 'see' things that other don't? are we more locked into our intuition and sub-conscious?

Scouser's fall into the subset of 'northerners' i.e. friendly and warm compared to the south, but I'm trying to define this as a state of consciousness - for example a hippy would be laid back, easy going, peaceful etc.

jamiefearon · March 5th, 2012, 03:46 PM

Like to steal things?

albionfagan · March 5th, 2012, 03:48 PM

Terrible thread.

PhilG · March 5th, 2012, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by jamiefearon

Like to steal things?

Fuck off...

albionfagan · March 5th, 2012, 03:50 PM

Tbf it's an infantile thread which is only going to encourage nobhead posts.

Medi73#! · March 5th, 2012, 03:52 PM

Allen Ginsberg, poet, described Liverpool as a centre of consciousness in the 60's.

PhilG · March 5th, 2012, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by albionfagan

Tbf it's an infantile thread which is only going to encourage nobhead posts.

Agreed, partially. The thread could have merit but is worded terribly. No offence Rollingstone Gather.

This forum attracts a lot of infantile internet warriors who can't help themselves.

Awayo · March 5th, 2012, 03:55 PM

I don't really like scouse, or stews of any description. Bunloaf is good however.

yoshef · March 5th, 2012, 03:58 PM

Scouseness - Liverpool's answer to Loch Ness.

Rollingstone Gather · March 5th, 2012, 04:23 PM

Fair points - I guess being a troll is a state of mind too. Making others feel like c***s is part of that. Also its a teenager type reaction.

Was just trying to learn something from my fellow human beings - not trying to invite everyone to be a twat.

Rollingstone Gather · March 5th, 2012, 04:33 PM

What are the things that define being English?

For example is it being able to seek fair play, be objective, support the under dog, bravery in the face of overwhelming odds ?

Awayo · March 5th, 2012, 04:39 PM

They English certainly like to characterise themselves as such. However, to pick two example, the Americans and Australians also talk about exactly the same virtues as being theirs. Maybe everyone does....

Rollingstone Gather · March 5th, 2012, 04:47 PM

Is it a working class consciousness? in which case it is the same as other industrialised cities

Awayo · March 5th, 2012, 04:48 PM

I'd like it if some badass nation of lowdown rotters liked to boast of their definng characterics as being unfairness, a tendency to side with the bully, intolerance, dishonesty, cowardice and pusillanimity in the face of threats. That is the opposite to the list of virtues that so many nations claims as their own. Be probably right as well as that's the nature of the human beast.

tomo90 · March 5th, 2012, 04:52 PM

Being scouse means you are everything that is wrong in Liverpool. The piece in the Echo about Scouse vs Liverpudlian sums it up nicely.

Rollingstone Gather · March 5th, 2012, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Awayo

I'd like it if some badass nation of lowdown rotters liked to boast of their definng characterics as being unfairness, a tendency to side with the bully, intolerance, dishonesty, cowardice and pusillanimity in the fact of threats. That is the opposite to the list of virtues that so many nations claims as their own. Be probably right as well as that's the nature of the human beast.

Is the point that they couldn't do this (and it hasn't happened to my knowledge), as fundamentally is human nature for fairness, justice and bravery?

Rollingstone Gather · March 5th, 2012, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by albionfagan

Tbf it's an infantile thread which is only going to encourage nobhead posts.

Are you self -censoring?

Its interesting in itself that if I had posted this thread in another countries forum we may have been able to have a debate...

tommygunn · March 5th, 2012, 05:47 PM

Scousers are just the same as eveyone else but talk with an Irish Welsh and English influenced accent that is all.

the golden vision · March 5th, 2012, 05:55 PM

That's essentially true. I think there's some confusion about a 'sense' of identity and true self awareness ,which can only come about through concentrated mediatation. Meditation should be introduced into all primary schools imo. Ormskirk has one of only two shools in the country where the children meditate twice daily.

Medi73#! · March 5th, 2012, 06:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the golden vision

That's essentially true. I think there's some confusion about a 'sense' of identity and true self awareness ,which can only come about through concentrated mediatation. Meditation should be introduced into all primary schools imo. Ormskirk has one of only two shools in the country where the children meditate twice daily.

Prayers and hymns can do the job just as well.

March 5th, 2012, 02:21 PM	#1
Rollingstone Gather Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 322 Likes (Received): 11	Is 'scouseness' a higher state of consciousness? What are the things that define scouse? For example is it being able to read between the lines, not being naive - is it a 'higher state of consciousness' - not exactly cynicism but acceptance of a reality that isn't detected as easily by other 'peoples' Do we 'see' things that other don't? are we more locked into our intuition and sub-conscious? Scouser's fall into the subset of 'northerners' i.e. friendly and warm compared to the south, but I'm trying to define this as a state of consciousness - for example a hippy would be laid back, easy going, peaceful etc. __________________ “If the decision is going to be made by the facts, then everyone’s facts, as long as they are relevant, are equal. If the decision is going to be made on the basis of people’s opinions, then mine count for a lot more". James Barksdale

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Medi73#! Yer Ma Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 2,336 Likes (Received): 127	Allen Ginsberg, poet, described Liverpool as a centre of consciousness in the 60's. __________________ http://www.online-literature.com/forums/index.php

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yoshef I like beer. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In your face Posts: 10,443 Likes (Received): 88	Scouseness - Liverpool's answer to Loch Ness. __________________ JFT96

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Rollingstone Gather Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 322 Likes (Received): 11	Fair points - I guess being a troll is a state of mind too. Making others feel like c***s is part of that. Also its a teenager type reaction. Was just trying to learn something from my fellow human beings - not trying to invite everyone to be a twat. __________________ “If the decision is going to be made by the facts, then everyone’s facts, as long as they are relevant, are equal. If the decision is going to be made on the basis of people’s opinions, then mine count for a lot more". James Barksdale

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Rollingstone Gather Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 322 Likes (Received): 11	What are the things that define being English? What are the things that define being English? For example is it being able to seek fair play, be objective, support the under dog, bravery in the face of overwhelming odds ? __________________ “If the decision is going to be made by the facts, then everyone’s facts, as long as they are relevant, are equal. If the decision is going to be made on the basis of people’s opinions, then mine count for a lot more". James Barksdale

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jamiefearon Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: London Posts: 760 Likes (Received): 81	Like to steal things?

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albionfagan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Liverpool Posts: 4,711 Likes (Received): 100	Terrible thread.

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albionfagan Registered User Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Liverpool Posts: 4,711 Likes (Received): 100	Tbf it's an infantile thread which is only going to encourage nobhead posts.

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Awayo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hrafenmeles Posts: 14,003 Likes (Received): 110	I don't really like scouse, or stews of any description. Bunloaf is good however.

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Awayo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hrafenmeles Posts: 14,003 Likes (Received): 110	They English certainly like to characterise themselves as such. However, to pick two example, the Americans and Australians also talk about exactly the same virtues as being theirs. Maybe everyone does....

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Rollingstone Gather Registered User Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 322 Likes (Received): 11	Is it a working class consciousness? in which case it is the same as other industrialised cities __________________ “If the decision is going to be made by the facts, then everyone’s facts, as long as they are relevant, are equal. If the decision is going to be made on the basis of people’s opinions, then mine count for a lot more". James Barksdale

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Awayo Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hrafenmeles Posts: 14,003 Likes (Received): 110	I'd like it if some badass nation of lowdown rotters liked to boast of their definng characterics as being unfairness, a tendency to side with the bully, intolerance, dishonesty, cowardice and pusillanimity in the face of threats. That is the opposite to the list of virtues that so many nations claims as their own. Be probably right as well as that's the nature of the human beast. Last edited by Awayo; March 5th, 2012 at 06:04 PM.

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tomo90 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Liverpool Posts: 2,120 Likes (Received): 44	Being scouse means you are everything that is wrong in Liverpool. The piece in the Echo about Scouse vs Liverpudlian sums it up nicely.

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tommygunn Registered User Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 3,681 Likes (Received): 0	Scousers are just the same as eveyone else but talk with an Irish Welsh and English influenced accent that is all.

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the golden vision Registered User Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 5,737 Likes (Received): 165	That's essentially true. I think there's some confusion about a 'sense' of identity and true self awareness ,which can only come about through concentrated mediatation. Meditation should be introduced into all primary schools imo. Ormskirk has one of only two shools in the country where the children meditate twice daily.

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