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Old March 13th, 2012, 09:17 PM   #21
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This Frankfurt tower is great! Even better than BBI's project - slimmer and lighter
You can't be serious.
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Old March 13th, 2012, 10:21 PM   #22
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But almost every new tower in NYC (Im glad of that) is still pretty conservative...

It would be good for asian cities, but not here.
Above that It has no ground level... I'm surprised that you can't see all this... After all you live in Toronto
I'm almost sure Hadid wasn't even in Warsaw before drawing this project - It is absolutely out of context. And I really can't understand why she is so prominent and respected. For me she is some kind of Lady Gaga of architecture
empire state building didn't match skyline when was build. but now it's a sight of NYC and most famous skyscraper in the world

with such conservative aproach warsaw will never get best-quality architecture. it's difficult to imagine the poles liked swiss re to be build in the city, through it's just an iconic skyscraper
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Old March 13th, 2012, 10:37 PM   #23
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empire state building didn't match skyline when was build. but now it's a sight of NYC and most famous skyscraper in the world
Of course It did. Look at Chrysler Tower and other towers built earlier. They look like Tawn Halls towers or Neo-gothic church towers.

Rychlik - I am serious. I hate this kitchy Asian - style postmodernism presented In, for example, Moscow or Shanghai (with all the respect).


This:



Is 100 times better than that:



Especially in chessboard-like grid which is in downtown of Warsaw.
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Old March 13th, 2012, 10:52 PM   #24
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with such conservative aproach warsaw will never get best-quality architecture. it's difficult to imagine the poles liked swiss re to be build in the city, through it's just an iconic skyscraper
It already got. Look at this, i posted it earlier:
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This awful tower by Hadid is NOT 'best-quality' architecture for sure... Especially comparing to Libeskind's.
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Old March 13th, 2012, 11:26 PM   #25
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Of course It did.
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It already got.
zlota 44 is truly nice scyscraper(although i'd prefer to see the completed version to judge), but it's iconic for warsaw, probably poland, not for europe
warsaw needs new commmonly recognized buildings except the palace of culture.

opinions against lilium is the same to opinions agains chacago spire, which (in my opinion) could be another iconic building in the united states
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Old March 14th, 2012, 12:02 AM   #26
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really?

Are we talking about matching in case of architecure or height, because I'm a little bit lost
I wouldn't mind boxy-based, urbanistically correct supertall in Warsaw.

The same thing with Chicago Spire - height is good, but architecture - not so. Or at least not good for Chicago.
But it is still better than Lilium

And I can assure you that Złota will be more recognisable than Stalin's gift... (don't missuderstand me, I love Palace of Culture and Science, It is base of our skyline)


Summing up - You don't have to understand what I mean... It's enough for me that architects understand (without 'star' Hadid).
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Old March 14th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #27
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zlota 44 is truly nice scyscraper(although i'd prefer to see the completed version to judge), but it's iconic for warsaw, probably poland, not for europe
warsaw needs new commmonly recognized buildings except the palace of culture.
Disagree, it will stand out as one of the more unique buildings in Europe.
Do not act like another eastern European who believes everything in the west is the best. And take another look at the Warsaw skyline. There have been a few great projects in the last 15 years. Spread the good news.
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Old March 14th, 2012, 04:26 AM   #28
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I don't think so. The design is rather interesting but despite being quite tall for Warsaw standards it's not very monumental, it doesn't dominate the skyline same way that Palace does and it's not really that iconic. Remember how excitet people on FPW were when R1 was built? Many seen it as a new icon but today it's just another skyscraper, nice but it doesn't have such a strong impact on the city as people imagined few years ago.
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Old March 14th, 2012, 04:50 AM   #29
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Considering Rondo as an icon is just overreacting for me. It's design is really nice, but It is still pretty standard-shaped. Just like Cosmo - some say It will be more beautiful than Złota, but It's just another, great box

Złota is so different - first of all famous, iconic designer. Secondly, no other high building in the world has at least similar shape to Złota. And finally - unique cladding.
Oh, and better location than Rondo
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Old March 14th, 2012, 05:31 AM   #30
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Considering Rondo as an icon is just overreacting for me. It's design is really nice, but It is still pretty standard-shaped.
Well that was exactly my point but I don't know if you remember how much enthusiasm it generated in the Polish section at that time I would say more than Złota this days. I even remember people being very enthusiastic and possitive about Złote Tarasy and it's "futuristic" roof which might sound a bit funny today although it wasn't that long ago. So now I see people excited about Z44 and I can't help but stay sceptical about it.

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Złota is so different - first of all famous, iconic designer.
So what? R1 was designed by a rather well renowned bureau too.

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Secondly, no other high building in the world has at least similar shape to Złota.
I highly doubt that, to be honest Libeskind buildings are quite similar to each other just like with other "starchitects" he has a certain style that he use all the time.

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And finally - unique cladding.
This "origami" cladding is by no means unique this days.

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I can agree with that but on the other hand R1 didn't have so many problems with it's neighbors.
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Old March 14th, 2012, 04:43 PM   #31
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I highly doubt that, to be honest Libeskind buildings are quite similar to each other just like with other "starchitects" he has a certain style that he use all the time.

How many skyscrapers has he designed? Post a pic with a similar shape of Zlota 44.
People, just enjoy the new f*cking skyscrapers popping up in Warsaw. Some are quite nice. I've always considered the InterContinental more outstanding than Rondo 1 because of the "leg" it has. Quite unique. Also, the Warsaw trade tower is one of the best looking skyscrapers in Europe.
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Old March 14th, 2012, 05:49 PM   #32
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How many skyscrapers has he designed? Post a pic with a similar shape of Zlota 44.
here they are:

singapore


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Also, the Warsaw trade tower is one of the best looking skyscrapers in Europe.
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Do not act like another eastern European who believes everything in the west is the best.
i don't have any such prejudice about the west, but for me Swiss Re, Turning Torso, Red Apple, Torre Agbar, the Shard and U/C(or close to U/C) the Leadenhall building, the Pinnacle, Hermitage Plaza, 20 Fenchurch st (potentially. it can be an ugly tower when build) are the best skyscrapers in Europe disregading of where they're situated. lilium could be aded to this list, but not WTT, which is obviously great tower, but not ' one of the best looking skyscrapers in Europe'
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Old March 14th, 2012, 06:57 PM   #33
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Guys, chill out for a minute - everything is a matter of taste, some people like boxy buildings and other like unique-shaped buildings. Lets get back on topic - this is a thread about the BBI tower not about Lilium.
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Old March 14th, 2012, 07:51 PM   #34
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And I am really happy about that

One more thing - those other buildings you posted Gedimin, are so different from Złota, that I would be even sure If it was the same designer that gave birth to them...
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yes. a lot of off-topic convesations

to Dexter. for me they're very similar curves with mosaic cladding, but anyway everyone has his own view on this
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Old March 25th, 2012, 11:27 PM   #37
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finally it's gonna have 41 floors and a spire?
due to the comparing picture with the spire BBI tower will be over 200 meter, what means new skyscraper in warsaw!!
maybe it should be moved to skyscraper thread? or there're no info about spire's high?
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We got no info about the spire. Height to roof top is 180m, that's all we know.
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The project received the green light from city council.

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http://bbidevelopment.pl/projects/roma-tower/



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