Iraqi victories

[sheytanElKebir]

I thought I'd start a thread for Iraqi victories past and present.


first item. A scrapyard in Habbaniya for destroyed american tanks and Fighting Vehicles. - I am guessing these dirt bags won't be visiting us any time soon.

[Basrawii]

1- Has someone hacked Shaytan's account? Usually, u r so disappointed with the whole country... old and new...
2- You consider that a victory? They controlled us for 9 years and destroyed thousands of equipments... and we are happy with a small scrap yard!
3- Any chance you are a baathi? or ex-one?
4- What other victories are you considering? Invasion of Kuwait? Iran war? Halbja? Or Killing the Shia in 1991? You might consider the last one...

Shaytan, I like what you really post here, but this is so not you...I am sorry to tell u this.

[Chounz]

We have victories?

[Basrawii]

And victories are not made by arms ... only

[Chounz]

Sheytan I'm glad you're not one of those american ass-licking Iraqis who are in 2012 grateful to the US for 'liberating' us even after what has happened to us in the past 9 years.

[makaay31]

If not only army victories.......

Iraq winning the Asian Cup in 2007

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by Basrawii

1- Has someone hacked Shaytan's account? Usually, u r so disappointed with the whole country... old and new...
2- You consider that a victory? They controlled us for 9 years and destroyed thousands of equipments... and we are happy with a small scrap yard!

well. we are a small and weak country, we've got to take what victories we can get. and we sure as hell bled them dry.

The dirt bags are broke. and our economy's growing 11% a year.

They wanted their military to stay.. we showed them the door and they scrammed, in the dead of night.

They tried to force PSA contracts on Iraq... we gave service contracts to the Chinese, British and others. They cried helplessly, the last fleeting piece booty dropping out of their arms, as they hastily picked up the remains of their incinerated, criminal, mentally retarded mercenaries.

3- Any chance you are a baathi? or ex-one?

no chance whatsoever.

4- What other victories are you considering? Invasion of Kuwait? Iran war? Halbja? Or Killing the Shia in 1991? You might consider the last one...

No I would say those were ugly and shameful chapters in Iraq's history that we should rightly be ashamed of.

Shaytan, I like what you really post here, but this is so not you...I am sorry to tell u this.

what is me? I just want Iraqis to start to build their pride again, but at the same time be conscious to remember the bad things that Iraqis had done in the past. We have many people talking about the bad side of Iraq. But we also need to have to look at the bravery of Iraqis in standing up to the most powerful military on earth and bringing down their economy through massive overspend on arms... see the americans consider their cold war "victory" over the Soviet Union through bankrupting them (without actually fighting), so why can't we consider the long grinding war against the americans which bled them dry of money and demoralised them to a pulp a non-event. Its a great victory in my opinion.

Originally Posted by Chounz

We have victories?

yes.

Originally Posted by Basrawii

And victories are not made by arms ... only

Yes indeed. Sporting victories, etc... are also parts of our national achievements, we should be proud of, and promote all of them.

Originally Posted by Chounz

Sheytan I'm glad you're not one of those american ass-licking Iraqis who are in 2012 grateful to the US for 'liberating' us even after what has happened to us in the past 9 years.

thank you. I am not much of an ass licker.

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Sheytan I'm glad you're not one of those american ass-licking Iraqis who are in 2012 grateful to the US for 'liberating' us even after what has happened to us in the past 9 years.

I know u r targetting me with those comments of yours, but let me, make one thing clear for you, I am more patriotic and Iraqi than any of you both, and for sure, I wouldn't stand and be happy to see my country being invaded, controlled and humulated by others. Therefore, I supported Maliki's endavours for ending the American presence.

I do support mutual relations with a great power (whether you chunzy baathy like it or not) like the United States, since all the factors are supporting that, which will eventually be good for our country in terms of Economy, military, education, health, science and others... so why not grab the opportunity? And if Americans are not willing to cooperate, share diplomatic ties and go start the same thing with others...

What people like you Chounz don't really get is something called PRAGMATISM... of course you seem like a pretty pragmatic person in reality but you have no idea on how it is done on larger scale. I mean here on country scale.

Anyway, Chounz u think like a Baathi, u don't hate Americans, u simply hate the fact that they gave people like you (Baathists and Extremist Sunnis) a cold shoulder and gave power to Shittes (Not for the fact that they like us or we like them, simply not to get in trouble with Iran or the MAJOIRITY of the Iraqi people... what you called as M3dan many times on this forum) not you Sunnis, if Americans came in and gave it to some sick Baathi general, you wouldn't even have spoken such a thing...

I am not defending those who rule Iraq today, as they might look more corrupt than Saddam himself and his Tikritis. But, I am sick of the fact that people like you cannot accept the fact that Shia are ruling the country, even if bad shia. I don't really give a damn, just get used to it, once this country was ruled by Baathists and Sunnis for 80 years since Faisal I .... and we said nothing and got along really good with you people... you should really accept the fact too.

Shaytan is accepting it real good, hes a good example of Pragmatism, something I was telling you about earlier, in his real life, he probably kisses the ass of those he hates and openly speaks bad things about here and elsewhere online, to get his career, job or business going smoothly and come here to express his real feelings.

[Chounz]

Originally Posted by Basrawii

I know u r targetting me with those comments of yours, but let me, make one thing clear for you, I am more patriotic and Iraqi than any of you both, and for sure, I wouldn't stand and be happy to see my country being invaded, controlled and humulated by others. Therefore, I supported Maliki's endavours for ending the American presence.

I do support mutual relations with a great power (whether you chunzy baathy like it or not) like the United States, since all the factors are supporting that, which will eventually be good for our country in terms of Economy, military, education, health, science and others... so why not grab the opportunity? And if Americans are not willing to cooperate, share diplomatic ties and go start the same thing with others...

What people like you Chounz don't really get is something called PRAGMATISM... of course you seem like a pretty pragmatic person in reality but you have no idea on how it is done on larger scale. I mean here on country scale.

Anyway, Chounz u think like a Baathi, u don't hate Americans, u simply hate the fact that they gave people like you (Baathists and Extremist Sunnis) a cold shoulder and gave power to Shittes (Not for the fact that they like us or we like them, simply not to get in trouble with Iran or the MAJOIRITY of the Iraqi people... what you called as M3dan many times on this forum) not you Sunnis, if Americans came in and gave it to some sick Baathi general, you wouldn't even have spoken such a thing...

I am not defending those who rule Iraq today, as they might look more corrupt than Saddam himself and his Tikritis. But, I am sick of the fact that people like you cannot accept the fact that Shia are ruling the country, even if bad shia. I don't really give a damn, just get used to it, once this country was ruled by Baathists and Sunnis for 80 years since Faisal I .... and we said nothing and got along really good with you people... you should really accept the fact too.

Shaytan is accepting it real good, hes a good example of Pragmatism, something I was telling you about earlier, in his real life, he probably kisses the ass of those he hates and openly speaks bad things about here and elsewhere online, to get his career, job or business going smoothly and come here to express his real feelings.

I was actually NOT targetting you with that comment at all. I've discussed this you many times so you know my stance and I know yours we never got to a solution so there really is no need to target you.

I actually CANNOT believe this post of yours because I've explained myself numerous times on this forum and we've had many many discussions with you and FromBaghdadWithLove and with Iraqishi3i in many different threads so everyone knows my opinion on everything but YOU choose to completely ignore everything I've said on this forum since I've become a member because of how ignorant you are and you continue to occuse me of ridiculous things which I don't appreciate.
I won't be replying to you since you covered almost a thousand points and I'm not going to continue repeating myself since none of actually goes through your head and stays there.

Thanks.

[Ali - Iraq]

Well, in my opinion we don't have any victories. Though the iraqi army was very strong, under saddam hussein rule. We lost the war against the Americans, because the majority didn't like the government, we have to take that into consideration. I'm not saying we could win the war against America but if the people was with Saddam then it would have been a different situation.

[sheytanElKebir]

Saddam didn't lose against the obese dirt. He lost the Iraqis, and we wouldn't defend his odious regime, From our perspective the obese dirt were useful to get rid of saddam. Afterwards, we had to get rid of the obese dirt in a clever way.

It combined "good cop" (politicians like Maliki who wouldn't give in to their pressure) and "bad cop" armed action which bled them monetarily and morally.

The combined effort literally destroyed them from within. Yes sure we had an ugly civil war in the middle, but that's something which was sadly necessary as Sunnis could not fathom that they were a minority, and that Shias are entitled to "equal rights" and Shias could not fathom the idea that being a majority doesn't give them the right to run roughshod over minorities. That's an issue which is for another thread, and in my opinion should be discussed in a historical context since the new Iraq is for all Iraqis, Sunnis, Shias, ex-baathists and ex-Jaish Al Mahdi...

I think we have to re-evaluate the period from 2003-2011 and see a clearer picture of how Iraq very painfully liberated itself from Saddam first and the obese dirt second.

The combined arms battle to humble the last remaining superpower will be seen, in my view, as one of the defining battles that saw the decline of american hegemony, both military and political around the world.

With the Iraqi "experience" under their belt, the americans today are not even sure if they can take Iran on... They spent a two trillion dollars in Iraq... mostly raised from debt which hangs like a noose around the neck of every "Patriotic American" for decades to come. Their casualties may have been few unfortunately (4500 dead and about 25,000 wounded)... but on the streets of america today there are a hundred thousand mentally disturbed retards (a.k.a "veterans") ready to explode "heroically" upon their fellow "patriotic americans". sleep well america.

[Chounz]

Basrawi if you or anyone else honestly want I can try and find links to the threads where I've discussed everything, so that I don't have to keep explaining myself over and over again.
As long as this time you promise it stays in your head and you stop spitting stupid shit at me.

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by Chounz

I was actually NOT targetting you with that comment at all. I've discussed this you many times so you know my stance and I know yours we never got to a solution so there really is no need to target you.

I actually CANNOT believe this post of yours because I've explained myself numerous times on this forum and we've had many many discussions with you and FromBaghdadWithLove and with Iraqishi3i in many different threads so everyone knows my opinion on everything but YOU choose to completely ignore everything I've said on this forum since I've become a member because of how ignorant you are and you continue to occuse me of ridiculous things which I don't appreciate.
I won't be replying to you since you covered almost a thousand points and I'm not going to continue repeating myself since none of actually goes through your head and stays there.

Thanks.

U r more than welcome. U r not able to reply back. This settles it.

[Ali - Iraq]

Guys pull your self together.. seriously man..

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by Chounz

Basrawi if you or anyone else honestly want I can try and find links to the threads where I've discussed everything, so that I don't have to keep explaining myself over and over again.
As long as this time you promise it stays in your head and you stop spitting stupid shit at me.

No need... I was angry that's all.

[Basrawii]

But that doesn't mean that I didn't mean parts of what I said ...

[Basrawii]

Major important parts...

[Ali - Iraq]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

Saddam didn't lose against the obese dirt. He lost the Iraqis, and we wouldn't defend his odious regime, From our perspective the obese dirt were useful to get rid of saddam. Afterwards, we had to get rid of the obese dirt in a clever way.

It combined "good cop" (politicians like Maliki who wouldn't give in to their pressure) and "bad cop" armed action which bled them monetarily and morally.

The combined effort literally destroyed them from within. Yes sure we had an ugly civil war in the middle, but that's something which was sadly necessary as Sunnis could not fathom that they were a minority, and that Shias are entitled to "equal rights" and Shias could not fathom the idea that being a majority doesn't give them the right to run roughshod over minorities. That's an issue which is for another thread, and in my opinion should be discussed in a historical context since the new Iraq is for all Iraqis, Sunnis, Shias, ex-baathists and ex-Jaish Al Mahdi...

I think we have to re-evaluate the period from 2003-2011 and see a clearer picture of how Iraq very painfully liberated itself from Saddam first and the obese dirt second.

The combined arms battle to humble the last remaining superpower will be seen, in my view, as one of the defining battles that saw the decline of american hegemony, both military and political around the world.

With the Iraqi "experience" under their belt, the americans today are not even sure if they can take Iran on... They spent a two trillion dollars in Iraq... mostly raised from debt which hangs like a noose around the neck of every "Patriotic American" for decades to come. Their casualties may have been few unfortunately (4500 dead and about 25,000 wounded)... but on the streets of america today there are a hundred thousand mentally disturbed retards (a.k.a "veterans") ready to explode "heroically" upon their fellow "patriotic americans". sleep well america.

Well in my opinion it wasn't a clever way. If we could mobilize, and defeat saddam by ourself iraq wouldn't have been damaged as it's know..

[Basrawii]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

They spent a two trillion dollars in Iraq... mostly raised from debt which hangs like a noose around the neck of every "Patriotic American" for decades to come. Their casualties may have been few unfortunately (4500 dead and about 25,000 wounded)... but on the streets of america today there are a hundred thousand mentally disturbed retards (a.k.a "veterans") ready to explode "heroically" upon their fellow "patriotic americans". sleep well america.

Believe me, I hate to be invaded by others, but what you really wrote sounds like pure HATRED! Although, it is mostly true.

[sheytanElKebir]

Ali - the reality is that we couldn't take on saddam as Iraqis were divided. He had a chunk of the population supporting him against the majority. FACT.

Americans had to get rid of him. They were useful thugs, who outlived their usefulness.