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Old November 5th, 2013, 02:29 AM   #721
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The Indian chick in that video is hotter than vindaloo and sweeter than kheer. I'd like to give her a Diwali present!

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Old November 5th, 2013, 03:13 AM   #722
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Guess that's Tour Verre before the height reduction.
Looks like 320m to me.

Edit. Never noticed the gaps in the north face, will gel with 432 well I think.

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Old November 5th, 2013, 12:02 PM   #723
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They say this thing will indeed have (huge) tuned mass dumper. And they say it will be placed somewhere at the top of the building





This tower is truly extreme
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Old November 5th, 2013, 01:11 PM   #724
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I can't believe all of those comments in that article about how they're worried about it tipping over and being unsafe and impossible to build

Do they not realise that world class architects have designed it, and the structure is tried and tested over and over again by engineers so that it can take way over the strain that it will ever need to take?
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Old November 5th, 2013, 01:25 PM   #725
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You're surprised? We even have people worried about that in this very thread on a freaking skyscraper forum
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Old November 5th, 2013, 01:49 PM   #726
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It┤s just a repetition of the good old Flatiron Building thing. Where people where afraid to pass by, because they thought it might fall over, resulting from it┤s thinness.

The hyperbole used in the article might be a PR thing of the developer, that the mere and less skyscrapery fanatic gets aware of this building, until it actually gets build. Where everyone will be aware of it. (411m)
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Old November 5th, 2013, 03:44 PM   #727
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Hey folks, I don't really want to scroll through all the posts during the month I was away from the forum, so I'd like to ask, will this building have a steel structure or a concrete structure? Or possibly both like the WTC?
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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:44 AM   #728
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I would think it would have to be concrete, or it would sway like hell in the wind if it were steel.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #729
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Yep, high psi concrete like 432 Park Avenue would be the order of the day. Having so few units is the only way in hell they could get away with just 3 elevators. Even so, it'll be mayhem when all the decorators and build out crews start arriving!
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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #730
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Hey folks, I don't really want to scroll through all the posts during the month I was away from the forum, so I'd like to ask, will this building have a steel structure or a concrete structure? Or possibly both like the WTC?
Residential projects in NY are always concrete.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:53 AM   #731
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I'm pretty sure it does have steel beams functioning as ornament on the East and West fašades, very similar to 1LP. I wouldn't doubt it if the top is a steel skeleton like One57, but at Vito said, it'll probably utilize really strong concrete and some rebar. Not to mention residential projects are almost always concrete.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:56 AM   #732
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What's the deal with the render on the first page?
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Old November 6th, 2013, 04:59 AM   #733
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That's terra cotta.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 05:05 AM   #734
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No I mean it looks like an older render but the top one is the one I remember.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 08:59 AM   #735
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From the Yahoo video. Maybe a bit clearer than the render versions we'd had:




This angle makes me think of Hugh Ferriss:

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Old November 6th, 2013, 09:29 AM   #736
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It does seem a bit extreme, but I think it's doable given the tapering of the top half to a sliver of a crown. Granted it's rare for the area, but I wouldn't wanna ride a 7+ earthquake in the upper half of it. lol
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Residential projects in NY are always concrete.
Because of regulations?
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Old November 6th, 2013, 02:03 PM   #738
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Thanks for the info folks

Btw, is it just me or is concrete in the recent years quite quickly pushing away steel in the supertall construction industry? I can imagine that in the last decade there were quite major advances in concrete technology
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:38 PM   #739
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There's three important properties for structural materials-Weight, Strength, and Stiffness(well alright, there's cost too, but that's not a physical property).

Per unit volume, concrete is lighter, but not as strong, nor as stiff as steel. However, when used in an actual structure, the structure overall ends up being heavier, about the same strength, but stiffer. Another key difference between concrete and steel is that steel of all strengths has pretty much the same stiffness modulus, whereas stronger concrete is stiffer than weak concrete. This means that if you built a tower with stronger steel vs weaker steel, it would actually be more flexible and sway more because less steel was used. In contrast, when stronger concrete is used in a tower, the stiffness also increases, so that although less concrete may be used because it is stronger, the structure overall maintains its rigidity. The extra mass of concrete also helps reduce swaying to below noticeable levels, and reduces noise permeating from one apartment to the next.
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Old November 6th, 2013, 10:45 PM   #740
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Thanks for the info, this is very interesting stuff for me since I plan on studying engineering next year
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