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Old January 12th, 2014, 11:38 PM   #901
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I saw the footprint of 107 West 57th Street on Saturday (I'm 90% sure it's this tower since it looked about the right distance from One57 and was right next to what I think was the Steinway Tower; I wasn't looking carefully, but I was taking pictures. Unfortunately I only got one.) The footprint is TINY, compared to One57 and 432 Park Avenue. It looked like a four-story tenement should go there, not a 1000 foot supertall. I think I can safely say it's smaller than some houses!
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Old January 13th, 2014, 12:14 AM   #902
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I saw the footprint of 107 West 57th Street on Saturday (I'm 90% sure it's this tower since it looked about the right distance from One57 and was right next to what I think was the Steinway Tower; I wasn't looking carefully, but I was taking pictures. Unfortunately I only got one.) The footprint is TINY, compared to One57 and 432 Park Avenue. It looked like a four-story tenement should go there, not a 1000 foot supertall. I think I can safely say it's smaller than some houses!
The building will be wider than the lot. The building will slightly hangover its neighbors.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 12:19 AM   #903
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See below. 60 x 73 ft is ridiculously thin.


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I measured the original blueprints and got something like 60 X 73.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 12:24 AM   #904
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The building will be wider than the lot. The building will slightly hangover its neighbors.
You sure? It doesn't look like it in the diagrams in the opening post.
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Old January 13th, 2014, 03:42 AM   #905
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See below. 60 x 73 ft is ridiculously thin.
That was based on the original blueprints, which have been superseded by new ones.

The new footprint of the tower from the most recent blueprints is 58'9'' wide X 79'3'' deep.









That's still amazingly small for a building that will have its highest occupied floor at 1195 feet, and its pinnacle at 1350 feet. In fact, the other day I realized that the tower would be able to fit on my front lawn.
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Old January 14th, 2014, 10:29 AM   #906
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Good luck getting that through planning authority
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Old January 14th, 2014, 11:30 AM   #907
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^well that luck has already been achieved seeing as this has been approved and ground preparation is underway!
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Old January 15th, 2014, 01:31 AM   #908
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I think skyscraper fans universally love this design. What I noticed is that some of the best designs have evolved a lot. For example, I think a lot of people like One57. The original design was really boxy, but the final one was very curvy and wavy.



One World Trade Center has gone through many design revisions. The original one by Daniel Libeskind that looked like the Statue of Liberty wasn't that bad, but I think almost everyone can agree that every time the design was revised it became uglier and uglier. Then came the final design, which, to some people, looks okay but doesn't suit the world trade center. But it's still definitely an improvement.



The Shanghai Tower, which everyone seems to love, had so many proposed designs, and some thought that the final design would be too wacky. The final design was original, but it was graceful and wavy. I think this is one of the proposed designs for the Shanghai Tower, which looks a little like the real thing but looks too short:



Now look at the tower (I chose a picture that focused on the glass, because that's what we love most about the tower):

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And most importantly, I think 111 West 57th Street also has an "evolution". I don't think it's really revisions, but more like a concept:


found in the skyscraper museum's website

Maybe the reason these towers turned out great was because everything was polished and refined. A revised piece of writing is better than a rough draft. However, not every building that has revisions has a great final design. Look at the Lagoons' original design:



The current designs have two buildings that look a lot like the Gherkin in London, which a lot of people don't like.
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Old January 15th, 2014, 02:02 PM   #909
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Maybe the reason these towers turned out great was because everything was polished and refined. A revised piece of writing is better than a rough draft. However, not every building that has revisions has a great final design. Look at the Lagoons' original design:
When designs are downgraded because of technical or finacial reason (or whatever), it results in sad faces.
Both WTC and this tower have a better final design.
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Old January 16th, 2014, 11:28 PM   #910
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I went to the Skyscraper Museum exhibit on "Superslims" and snapped these photos of the model they happened to have.

























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Old January 16th, 2014, 11:37 PM   #911
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Old January 17th, 2014, 01:32 AM   #912
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^well that luck has already been achieved seeing as this has been approved and ground preparation is underway!
Was talking about getting it built in his front lawn
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Old January 17th, 2014, 02:31 AM   #913
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I don't know if it was intentional but for the first time I see shadows of an old WTC complex in contemporary NYC design:







And now we can actually see that tower will be wider than that glassy facade next to the street.
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Old January 17th, 2014, 10:40 PM   #914
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And people used to call the towers in the Dubai Marina "thin"
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Yeah, 432 Park Avenue was already hard for me to swallow, but this needle will take even more time and effort to get used to. In the mean time, I will work on a new design for NYC that's 800m tall and 2m wide...
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Old January 17th, 2014, 11:42 PM   #916
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And people used to call the towers in the Dubai Marina "thin"

Yea this tower will be unbelievably sexy thin. We may see more and more of these super thin skyscrapers for NYC as this trend will definitely continue.

Manhattan is super dense on a small overdeveloped island. There are many challenges for developers here scouting for land. It’s not easy to find and assemble enough contiguous properties to yield a spacious lot.

The many challenges that many architects and developers here face are having limited and irregular spaces to work with. They have to figure out the positioning, layout and of course find a way to max out its potential for the sake of making as much greenbacks for their pockets. In addition to skinny, we may see more developments that will feature the cantilever as well.

It's exciting times for development in NYC.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 12:07 AM   #917
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I wonder if at some point they'll make towers wider by building them over a street, like two cores, one on each side, seperate until the 5th floor or so, then connecting all the way up...
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Old January 18th, 2014, 04:31 AM   #918
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I wonder if at some point they'll make towers wider by building them over a street, like two cores, one on each side, seperate until the 5th floor or so, then connecting all the way up...
I don't think that would work with FAR...
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Old January 18th, 2014, 05:02 AM   #919
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I wonder if at some point they'll make towers wider by building them over a street, like two cores, one on each side, seperate until the 5th floor or so, then connecting all the way up...


Edgar street towers. Just a concept.
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Old January 18th, 2014, 05:21 AM   #920
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Edgar street towers. Just a concept.
I never noticed that. Too bad that was just a concept. I really liked the design.
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