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Old March 13th, 2014, 03:58 PM   #1081
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Over on SSP people are posting that at the presentation at the skyscraper museum it was said that this tower will be "right at about 1400 feet."
Sweet! Right around 1400' is music to my ears. Any new renderings shown?
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Old March 14th, 2014, 05:41 AM   #1082
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I know it won't look much skinnier but wow this is really mind blowing that they are pushing an already unbelievably slender tower up another 50 feet!
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Old March 14th, 2014, 04:39 PM   #1083
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The extra 50ft is meaningless on its own. It could be just an extension of the crown, which is just an extra 50ft of metal girders and glass.

If the whole building is simply risen 50ft, keeping the same proportions. That's a few extra floors of actual real estate somewhere in the building, probably the middle.

Just putting some architectural bullshit on the top to get it up to a clean 1400 is a cheat, isn't it? Even more so than a spire. It's just a hat. I hate hats.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 05:07 PM   #1084
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Just putting some architectural bullshit on the top to get it up to a clean 1400 is a cheat, isn't it? Even more so than a spire. It's just a hat. I hate hats.
It's only a cheat in terms of official height, not design. If it looks good, it looks good. I learned to stop giving a sh*t about roof height vs. skinny stick height a long time ago.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 06:08 PM   #1085
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Oh don't get me wrong. I'm all for architectural bullshit. I'm just sayin', when news emerges about a height increase, it's better to wait and see. Just to determine if it's an actual height increase or some sneaky shenanigans.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 06:19 PM   #1086
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I guess 1400ft is with the crown together. but still very good news
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Old March 14th, 2014, 07:08 PM   #1087
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This one is crazy. It went from a mere 700 footer to a 1400feet monster. Only in NYC.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 07:19 PM   #1088
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Michael Stern told me it would be about 1,400', so the adjustment is definitely plausible.
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Old March 14th, 2014, 09:18 PM   #1089
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I hope this convinces Barnett to go higher than 1500' with 225 w 57th street
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Old March 15th, 2014, 01:20 PM   #1090
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The extra 50ft is meaningless on its own. It could be just an extension of the crown, which is just an extra 50ft of metal girders and glass.

If the whole building is simply risen 50ft, keeping the same proportions. That's a few extra floors of actual real estate somewhere in the building, probably the middle.

Just putting some architectural bullshit on the top to get it up to a clean 1400 is a cheat, isn't it? Even more so than a spire. It's just a hat. I hate hats.
I agree. I'd rather see it 50ft wider.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 04:58 AM   #1091
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Come on, guys! Isn't taller better? (Well, in most cases, unless that architect makes the building so tall that it'll be so expensive and/or impossible in terms of stability to be built.) And I guess and extra 50 ft on the crown won't make that much of a difference.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 06:10 AM   #1092
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Come on, guys! Isn't taller better? (Well, in most cases, unless that architect makes the building so tall that it'll be so expensive and/or impossible in terms of stability to be built.) And I guess and extra 50 ft on the crown won't make that much of a difference.
I agree but it might look a little weird if 432, 111 and nordstrom are all the same height

Hopefully Barnett pushes a little higher for that and other reasons.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 01:14 PM   #1093
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Anything around 1,500 ft would be nice... certainly being a little taller than the other two would be a great prestige thing, and set things up a little differently. It was originally proposed to be maximum 1,550 so I don't think some extra height than the current listed 1,424 will be something that makes the tower economically unfeasible.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 05:15 PM   #1094
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Seems like this one will indeed be a 1400 footer. Wow!
With all the talk about buildings losing height, most residentials actually do gain height, this one actually doubled in height since it was introduced. Here's a video of Shop discussing the tower.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lIy2HPTCz3g

And I agree with you guys. If Extell doesn't make their tower stand out in some way, wether it be added height or some stunning design, it's gonna have a hard time competing with Steinway, 220 CPS, and TV which will all rise at the same time. It's almost a necessity now that Nordstrom has to stand out.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 05:28 PM   #1095
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) And I guess and extra 50 ft on the crown won't make that much of a difference.
It could be a horrible decision if it doesn't fit properly onto the current design. Boxes could easlily add 50 feet designwise. But some designs just can't, like this one with the steps. They could of course put more floors below where the steps start.
But even more height here and TV mast will start to feel fat.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 08:50 PM   #1096
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I wouldn't count on that this building has been stretched to 1400 ft, I think it is still at the 1350 ft already projected.
The guy at the presentation said that "our firm is going to join to the skyscraper club and add something this tall, this is approximately fourteen feet tall, it's a bit taller than the ESB" So I think he wast just rounding the height to fourteen hundred feet to indicate it was tall.

Anyway, kind of cool presentation.
some images from the video.

A cross section of the bottom of the building



The guy said that the east and west facades will be basically punched shear walls, with the walls of the core and two columns on the north and south facades each, completing the structural system. Here's a diagram of it. Bellow, some more floor plan diagrams and a complete floor plan, which the guy said they were still working on it.











A diagram of an individual floor cross section. He said that each floor will be 15 ft tall (so similar to 432) with 14 ft free to the ceiling. With some double height duplexes with 28 ft ceilings. (should be 29 ft adding the thickness of the missing slab)







Details of the Facades

North and south facades, as all we know, are going to have those terracota vertical strips. He said that they will be molded so the facades will have some textures and light effects.

Here are drawings of the "movement" of those strips and a mockup of the terracota pieces.







For the northern facade, it will be glassy and it will have some horizontal bronze elements between each floor. Those elements will be thicker at the center so it would have the effect that the facade is slightly curved, but in fact it will be flat.





For the southern facade, the bronze elements will be vertical, and it will have terraces at the setbacks. Notice the terracota strips protrude about 2 meters above the terrace floor (seen behind the guy standing at the balcony, taht could be misidentified as building). Also do the bronze rails that protrude above the glass railing.



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Old March 16th, 2014, 09:48 PM   #1097
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Wow. This just keeps getting better and better.
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Old March 16th, 2014, 09:49 PM   #1098
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I'm surprised how thin the load bearing structure is. What gives this tower its rigidity?

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Old March 16th, 2014, 10:44 PM   #1099
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It's very informative. Love the details in the facades in particular the North and South sides. Can't wait for this project to go vertical reaching aprox 1400'.

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This will be the most beautiful modern building in New York I recon, it may even rival some old buildings from the Art Deco era! Just look at the amount of detail going into it!



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