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Old March 16th, 2014, 11:39 PM   #1101
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Those balconies look low..
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Old March 17th, 2014, 12:50 AM   #1102
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I'm surprised how thin the load bearing structure is. What gives this tower its rigidity?
Actually, they are not thin at all. The structural engineer said that the core walls are about two feet thick, and the east and west walls are even thicker as shown in the floor plans, almost twice as thick, so they could be 3 to 4 feet thick, about a meter thick, that is very thick.

The rigidity is given by the shear walls themselves, they are placed in both directions and a shear wall is a very rigid element.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 01:02 AM   #1103
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Some more captures of the presentation
One more of a typical floor plan and a mechanical floor plan bellow








An upper level floor plan





The mass damper level floor plan




An open level floor plan. Made to let the wind flow, there will be two of them as shown in the model at the left.

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Old March 17th, 2014, 02:07 AM   #1104
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interessting building! this will be epic.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 03:14 AM   #1105
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And I agree with you guys. If Extell doesn't make their tower stand out in some way, wether it be added height or some stunning design, it's gonna have a hard time competing with Steinway, 220 CPS, and TV which will all rise at the same time. It's almost a necessity now that Nordstrom has to stand out.
I think what Nordstrom has over this one regardless is location, location, location. It's by Columbus Circle and the Upper West Side, which is in my opinion much preferable to the upper east side. Plus, this one will have impeded views to the east and west. Also, the others will have a view of 111, which will be stunning.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 03:49 AM   #1106
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I think what Nordstrom has over this one regardless is location, location, location. It's by Columbus Circle and the Upper West Side, which is in my opinion much preferable to the upper east side. Plus, this one will have impeded views to the east and west. Also, the others will have a view of 111, which will be stunning.
The only thing dividing these two are seventh avenue.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 04:52 AM   #1107
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I think what Nordstrom has over this one regardless is location, location, location. It's by Columbus Circle and the Upper West Side, which is in my opinion much preferable to the upper east side. Plus, this one will have impeded views to the east and west. Also, the others will have a view of 111, which will be stunning.
I'm not sure if that makes it a much better location than Steinway. Both of them are 2 blocks away from Central Park and Steinway will have unobstructed view of the Park while Nordtsrom will have 220CPW right in front of it and even with the cantilever, some of the eastern views will be blocked.
Sure Nordstrom is close to Columbus Circle but Steinway is a mere block from 5th ave and a couple of blocks from Madison ave, it's a no brainer where our 1 per center friends would rather shop.
I think all those towers can boast about their locations, 220 CPS has the best Central Park views, Tower Verre right next to Moma and 5th ave as well as Central Park views on the upper floors, and Steinway, and Nordstrom the Central Park view. But again Steinway's view will be more unobstructed, to me Nordstrom is the one with the least favorable location so it does need to stand out.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 06:33 AM   #1108
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I can't wait to walk up the street and see this,

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Old March 17th, 2014, 08:21 AM   #1109
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3.14.14

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Mini excavation has started !
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Mini excavation equipment has arrived !
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Old March 17th, 2014, 03:23 PM   #1110
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Well, now I see that I'm reassured there will be a 30 feet deep hole tomorrow.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 03:34 PM   #1111
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Thanks for the pictures, ILNY. Looking forward to that space turning into a hole.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 05:21 PM   #1112
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Mini excavation has started !
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They have to demolish the wall at the back and everything behind it to the facade of the building, also the left side two-floor structure, adjacent to where the loader is.

Anyway, it doesn't seem they are going to excavate much, according to this cross section drawing, it will be just one underground level.

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Old March 17th, 2014, 06:29 PM   #1113
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I can't wait to walk up the street and see this,

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See I think this is a textbook example of why the details are so important.

The base design can be hit or miss. It looks needle thin at some points, and imbalanced at others. But the subtle waving on the exterior, creating the arcing pattern up the side. That's what brings the whole thing into line and makes the building design work. What a great look.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 08:02 PM   #1114
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NYC Next Generation Instant Icons:


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Old March 17th, 2014, 10:24 PM   #1115
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My god I can't believe how much WTC2 needs building.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 10:27 PM   #1116
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I know it is so iconic and a great tribute to the twins. It should have risen with 1WTC
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Old March 17th, 2014, 10:36 PM   #1117
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WTC2 looks fat and bulky compared to this needle.
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Old March 17th, 2014, 11:12 PM   #1118
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Below is a glimpse of the vertical glass fins for the south facing façade (city side)





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Old March 17th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #1119
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Amazing tower !!
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Old March 18th, 2014, 01:14 AM   #1120
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The tower is way too fat on that PMG Markets Group magazine cover. The actual width to height ratio is 23-to-1 (1350'/58.75'), and that cover shows it at about 15-to-1.

Maybe the bottom of the building is hidden in that image, which would explain some of the difference.

EDIT: I think the bottom is not shown, because in the models the first setback occurs about halfway up, while it starts lower down in the mag cover.

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