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Old July 15th, 2015, 05:42 PM   #681
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The tunnels are too expensive to be replaced. They can be properly maintained. It's good to have a pair of parallel tunnels though.
Experts give less than 20 years to these tunnels before their closure is ordered for security reasons. Nothing lasts forever.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 06:14 PM   #682
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Why other underwater tunnels built in the same era in the New York Metropolitan Area can be operational in the foreseeable future but not the North River Tunnels, given proper repair and maintenance?
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Old July 15th, 2015, 07:49 PM   #683
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Why other underwater tunnels built in the same era in the New York Metropolitan Area can be operational in the foreseeable future but not the North River Tunnels, given proper repair and maintenance?
Because for quite a long time they WEREN'T properly repaired and maintained.

As a result, the deterioration has reached a point where they NEED to be closed for several years at a time (each) for a major overhaul. Failure to do this will result in condemnation.

The PATH tubes under the Hudson have had a more reliable funding mechanism for the last 50 years, but they too are getting long in the tooth. After 9/11, PATH took advantage of the closure of the Lower Manhattan/WTC tubes to do a general refresh of them.

This process took more than a year, with nonstop work in a closed tunnel. THAT is what must be done for the ex-PRR tubes.
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Old July 15th, 2015, 08:06 PM   #684
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Why other underwater tunnels built in the same era in the New York Metropolitan Area can be operational in the foreseeable future but not the North River Tunnels, given proper repair and maintenance?
Hurricane Sandy exacerbated matters, speeding up the clock considerably (polluted salt water is not good for sensitive electrical systems or or 100-year-old masonry).

Then there's the fact that EVERY SINGLE TRANS-HUDSON CROSSING IS AT CAPACITY. New tunnels are NEEDED to keep up with growing traffic.

These aren't just replacements. The new tunnels will enable the much-needed expansion of service.

Once the new tunnels are opened (the theory goes), the old tunnels can be closed for their much-needed rebuild. Then, when the rebuild is done, there will be doubled capacity, with four tunnels under the Hudson River.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 01:37 AM   #685
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I have been thinking about something similar to have service to Lower Manhattan, that could allow potentially for a JFK and EWR direct train service on the half hour.
They shelved that plan to have a direct LIRR connection to Lower Manhattan around 2003. All resources have been diverted to East Side Access and upgrades for ESA. After that's done , it could come back....or you might see a push for a Triboro RX rapid commuter train service.
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Old July 16th, 2015, 01:39 AM   #686
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Nexis, this is truly great news.

All M8 trains have been delivered and placed into service.

http://web.mta.info/mnr/html/newM8.html
I wish they had done a farewell journey like they did with the bar cars last yr...
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Old July 16th, 2015, 02:30 AM   #687
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Old July 16th, 2015, 06:55 AM   #688
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Fair increase? LOL!
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Babylon Branch Interchange Viaduct seen from the Hillside Employee stop


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Effective 2015.09.01, NJTransit will cut the following trains, therefore reducing late-night options for travel in northern New Jersey:

  • Pascack Valley Line: Elimination of Train #1601, the 12:45 a.m. departure from Hoboken
  • Montclair-Boonton Line: Elimination of Train #1043, the 1:35 a.m. departure from Montclair State University

Source: http://www.njtransit.com/tm/tm_servl...ELEASE_ID=3001

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Thats alright , we still have the 12:15 bus to Westwood and the 12.30 bus to Spring Valley from PABT...
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Highly unusual news from PANYNJ. Maybe Nexis can advise as to what happened.

Next week (Tue-Thu) there will be a 72-hour shutdown of the dilapidated Newark AirTrain. These things happen with regularity, but this time PANYNJ is not requiring customers to board the buses at Newark Penn Station. Rather, buses will be running from Newark Airport Station. I wonder how they will fit the buses there.

https://www.panynj.gov/alerts-adviso...in-newark.html
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Highly unusual news from PANYNJ. Maybe Nexis can advise as to what happened.

Next week (Tue-Thu) there will be a 72-hour shutdown of the dilapidated Newark AirTrain. These things happen with regularity, but this time PANYNJ is not requiring customers to board the buses at Newark Penn Station. Rather, buses will be running from Newark Airport Station. I wonder how they will fit the buses there.

https://www.panynj.gov/alerts-adviso...in-newark.html
Hmmm , they just shut it down last yr.... I don't think the station directly connects to street level...its a rare isolated station... Strange...
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There is a street called Station Road that connects to the airport rail station. It doesn't seem there's a lot of space for bus parking. Apparently this is a 72-hour shutdown for software upgrades.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/201...e_testing.html
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Queens is such a tough place, even the trains take swipes at each other.

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http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/11...ry-technology/
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Queens is such a tough place, even the trains take swipes at each other.

image hosted on flickr

http://secondavenuesagas.com/2010/11...ry-technology/
We overall stuck in 1980's still. Everything from design to technology.
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Long Island Railroad - Atlantic Branch

Atlantic Avenue Tunnel from a LIRR M3 Front Window




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The railway infrastructure in Brooklyn is really urban. Where is the train station of the first video?
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