Half german forum BANNED, inclusive german mod

[Ji-Ja-Jot]

After a polish(?) user was banned
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...postcount=7644

for voting the new airportterminal of Worclaw with 1
(Because of increasing numbers of downvoting-link delated)

many german froum users voted 1 as well as an protest action against the violating of freedom of speech and got banned instantly. Inclusive the only german mod.
(Because of increasing numbers of downvoting-link delated)

Are now all users have to be banned who voted New Yorks skyline with "<3", too?

[Suburbanist]

I don't know of the specifics, but here is my take: if lower votes in a poll are not allowed, then the freaking polls should be created only with the "allowed" votes!!!

I've seen this in some polls: forumers create a "rate our talls" or "rate our skyline" poll with votes 1-10, then go nuts when anyone votes less than 6.

Nobody should be punished for giving an allowed vote in a poll in any SSC forum. Simple as that.

I'm not talking about the specific German situation, I don't know it and can't speak either language, but I think it is hypocrite to have sub-forums or contests with poll option votes that are not meant to be voted actually. It looks like these options for votes 1, 2, 3 existed only to create a "feel good" mood, as in "nobody can downvote a poll but we leave the low votes there so I can feel awesome about my pic/city skyline/building".

[krkseg1ops]

Originally Posted by Ji-Ja-Jot

Are now all users have to be banned who voted New Yorks skyline with "<3", too?

But <3 is love, how can love be banned?

[joshsam]

lol I red through the thread. Crazy stuff Childish behavior by I hope kids. Because if these are grown up men, the future is looking grey. Anyways, the bans are stupid. they should have gotten a warning first. I think the admin wo banned them will have some things to explain to.

[Geborgenheit]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

I don't know of the specifics, but here is my take: if lower votes in a poll are not allowed, then the freaking polls should be created only with the "allowed" votes!!!
Nobody should be punished for giving an allowed vote in a poll in any SSC forum. Simple as that.

+1

Originally Posted by joshsam

think the admin wo banned them will have some things to explain to.

+1

[lukaszek89]

We have place where they could just ask why was Polish user banned(and he was football riot known to the mods earlier), it's not hard to find it.

They were voting politics not architecture-in thread strictly about architecture, don't You think there are better places for it?

And why some German forumers were defending in such silly way unknown to them Polish troll? What for? This is forum about architecture.

Every year we make ranking of the architecture, not politics- so votes are important for us. Polish forum is not for trolls, sorry.

[Kulla]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

I don't know of the specifics, but here is my take: if lower votes in a poll are not allowed, then the freaking polls should be created only with the "allowed" votes!!!

I've seen this in some polls: forumers create a "rate our talls" or "rate our skyline" poll with votes 1-10, then go nuts when anyone votes less than 6.

Nobody should be punished for giving an allowed vote in a poll in any SSC forum. Simple as that.

I'm not talking about the specific German situation, I don't know it and can't speak either language, but I think it is hypocrite to have sub-forums or contests with poll option votes that are not meant to be voted actually. It looks like these options for votes 1, 2, 3 existed only to create a "feel good" mood, as in "nobody can downvote a poll but we leave the low votes there so I can feel awesome about my pic/city skyline/building".

They should all be punished when one person asks the other members there to vote 1/10 based on hatred/trolling and not on their actual opionions regarding the subject the actual thread was about. So I dont know what you are on about, but the moderator reacted the proper way.

[pmaciej7]

Originally Posted by michal.j

Let's make it clear:
1. User majzner [polish user - pm7], who is football fan and hate football club from Wroclaw voted 1. on some Wroclaw's polls. There was no one word of constructive criticism, just pure downgrading. He was banned [for six months - pm7].
2. User markus1234, who is Pole and who knew this situation very well manipulated you [some german users - pm7] by saying some cliches about freedom of speech.
3. Then some naive users from this thread downgraded in poll. Once again without any word of constructive criticism.

[Suburbanist]

Once again, I don't know the specifics, and can't even read Polish (I can read rudimentary German only as I know Dutch).

What I think is: clicking in a poll vote, on itself, shouldn't warrant a ban or not even a brig.

If people are not required to give justification for high votes (8-10), they wouldn't be required to give justifications for low votes (1-3).

My guess is that if a bunch of foreign, non-native forumers suddenly went to the poll to give votes like 8, 9 or 10, people would be cheering how good the building is to be recognized even by foreigners! And this is a problem: polls as means to inflate regional/local/national ego in which everyone now conceding to the awesomeness of a building is a troll, or a bad person.

[tikiturf]

This is just ridiculous. Everything with a poll on this forum will receive the lowest note by some haters, if they hate your country or anything to do with politics or sh*ts like that, there are trolls everywhere on every thread (I'm maybe going too far but almost). Once again childish attitude is demonstrated.

I hope this will be solved as soon as possible......

[Suburbanist]

Originally Posted by Kulla

They should all be punished when one person asks the other members there to vote 1/10 based on hatred/trolling and not on their actual opionions regarding the subject the actual thread was about. So I dont know what you are on about, but the moderator reacted the proper way.

This is a vast overreaciton IMO. Problems would be poll hacking (like it happened with the XL tournaments last year).

Polls are self-explanatory, one of the few ways people not familiar with a language can participate in other regional forums.

It involves clicking a button and giving a vote. Shouldn't be punishable.

[Suburbanist]

Originally Posted by tikiturf

I hope this will be solved as soon as possible......

yes.

Create polls where only "acceptable" votes are given as options, like lowest possible vote 6. If there is an option for a 1 vote, people should be able to chose it for whatever reason.

[lukaszek89]

We have our calm subforum- there are strict rules and trolls are banned sooner or later- maybe that's why we are one of the biggest, if not biggest subforums in SSC. Please follow our rules and nothing will happen. There is hyde-park also in our subforum- You can all troll there as much You like - but why in thread about architecture?

[Ji-Ja-Jot]

I delated the links, because users feel inspred to downvote, too.

[Geborgenheit]

Originally Posted by tikiturf

I hope this will be solved as soon as possible......

Yeah, solved in the manner described in novels of George Orwell. Let's bring the total control and totalitarianism.

[Tiaren]

Poles being very german today. XD

[R@ptor]

Originally Posted by Suburbanist

If there is an option for a 1 vote, people should be able to chose it for whatever reason.

Exactly. In my opinion this entire forum has much more of a problem with 'upvoting' than one with 'downvoting'.

I'll give you an example. Some forumers have also complained because I usually give lower-than average votes in the 'Urban Photo Contest'. Now, in my opinion a contest is the place where you show off your skills and enter your best shots. However each week there are plenty of photos of an absolute crap quality taken with cellphone cameras that are completely grainy, ridiculously cropped and out of focus with zero creativity. Yet, for reasons unknown, all these photos get almost only ratings in the 7-10 range! But a scale from 1 to 10 means that 10 is absolutely brilliant and 1 absolutely crap and few of the photos mentioned above deserve more than a 3 or 4 and that's what I also vote.

Does voicing my honest opinion equal 'downvoting'? Certainly not.

So if you ask people about their opinion of a new airport terminal like in the poll, you will ultimately end up with vastly different opinions, because people have vastly different tastes. Looking at the design, it baffles me how you can seriously give the design a 9 or 10 because it looks rather average to me. I can guarantee you that if you would post the same poll in the international forum you would get significantly lower numbers.

Now, do you also ban people for 'upvoting', which is most likely the result of 'regional pride'?

I'm pretty sure you don't...

[lukaszek89]

it was organised action(by multiple times banned Polish troll BTW), provoked by untrue and stupid reason(to defend unknown to them other Polish troll)-go and vote 1.

What does it have to architecture?

[Suburbanist]

Originally Posted by lukaszek89

it was organised action(by Polish troll BTW), provoked by untrue and stupid reason(to defend unknown to them other Polish troll)-go and vote 1.

The most common thing in this forum is people advertising polls or banners from pics of their city/region/country to fellow forumers then asking other forumers to "upvote" them as in "let's put our city on top 100 banner list".

We see all the time "ah, xyz, from my beloved country abc, of course I'll give a 10. Go xyz, go!".

Isn't that trolling?

[lukaszek89]

There is only Polish architecture in that section so it's easy to catch trolls.