The Case of Trayvon Martin

[QuantumX]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

I even think it was self defense. and he was attacked first by Martin.

I don't think anyone can really say, but there should be medical records to back up claims of being punched in the face by Martin and suffering a broken nose. Forensics experts have already said that it is not Zimmerman's voice calling for help on the 911 recording as he had originally claimed. A decision is to be announced in less than 45-minutes.

[QuantumX]

Well, here it is!

The Miami Herald
Posted on Wed, Apr. 11, 2012
Trayvon Martin shooter George Zimmerman to face second-degree murder charge
By Frances Robles, Erika Bolstad and Michael Vasquez
mrvasquez@MiamiHerald.com

Florida special prosecutor Angela Corey has charged neighborhood watch volunteer George Zimmerman with second-degree murder in the shooting of Trayvon Martin.
Zimmerman turned himself in and is in custody at an undetermined location, Corey confirmed in a 6 p.m. news conference.
“It is the search for justice for Trayvon Martin that has brought us to this moment,” Corey told reporters.
Corey added that the decision to charge Zimmerman was not taken lightly, and was based on the facts of the case.
“We do not prosecute by public pressure or by petition,” Corey said.

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/1...#storylink=cpy

[skyscraperhighrise]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

Well, here it is!

Finally justice has prevailed.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

I agree with you.

I even think it was self defense. and he was attacked first by Marting.
I can't believe the mob have to dictate our rules specially with the Obamas and holder backing them up.
I will be willing to donate money for his defense

Obama can start saying good bye to Florida in november.
At least here in Arizona he will never win an election

This is just sick and weird. I don't understand supporting Zimmerman to that degree. The facts and evidence don't favor his story.

[Lakelander]

Btw fredcalif, polls in Jax show Obama will probably beat Romney here. If you can't get Jax to go red, your Florida political dreams will die a quick death in November.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Obama will more than likely win Florida. Jacksonville which has been the last Republican stronghold in Florida is now in play for Obama.

Poll shock: Obama ties Romney at 43 percent in conservative Jacksonville

Presidential candidates President Barack Obama and Mitt Romney tied in a University of North Florida poll.

The poll found that in a contest between Obama and Mitt Romney, each candidate received 43 percent in the poll results. Obama was beating Rick Santorum 48 to 39 percent.

Santorum ended his campaign Tuesday.

As the Tampa Bay Times Adam Smith notes "Duval is a Republican stronghold where Democrats have been gaining ground dramatically in recent years. Four years ago, McCain won the county by just 1.9 percent, which shocked plenty of political observers."

[fredcalif]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

This is just sick and weird. I don't understand supporting Zimmerman to that degree. The facts and evidence don't favor his story.

we have to wait for the fact, I believe he had no choice but to shoot.
otherwise he might have been the one who got killed

I hope you guys don't think that Martin was the angel of the 9 years old pics the media keep showing on cnn

[fredcalif]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

Obama will more than likely win Florida. Jacksonville which has been the last Republican stronghold in Florida is now in play for Obama.

the zimmerman case will hurt obama in fla and in most of the states

[Lakelander]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

we have to wait for the fact, I believe he had no choice but to shoot.
otherwise he might have been the one who got killed

I hope you guys don't think that Martin was the angel of the 9 years old pics the media keep showing on cnn

I've seen the recent facebook pic with the gold grill. To be honest, he looked like a skinny kid. Nevertheless, whether he was an angel or the biggest devil around really doesn't matter. Zimmerman was rightfully locked up and now let the legal process take its course.

[Lakelander]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

the zimmerman case will hurt obama in fla and in most of the states

Seriously doubt it. The presidential election will come down to the economy and as long as it keeps improving Obama will most likely be elected.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

we have to wait for the fact, I believe he had no choice but to shoot.
otherwise he might have been the one who got killed

I hope you guys don't think that Martin was the angel of the 9 years old pics the media keep showing on cnn

You believe he had no choice but to shoot? Why? This is just a knee jerk reaction from conservatives out of nowhere since Obama commented on the case.

Zimmerman pursued Trayvon after being told to stop, Zimmerman initiated the confrontation with him. You're trusting the shooter. Not the phone calls, not the witnesses and not the experts. Just the man who shot the kid, the man that has changed his story multiple times. It makes no sense.

If you don't like the public indictment of Zimmerman, don't run and defend him on that same coin. Only thing the family and the public have been asking for is a day in court, mainly because this looks like a huge injustice to most people in the country.

Martin was an average 17 year old. Trayvon has no history of violence, Zimmerman does. Trayvon has no criminal record, Zimmerman does.

Trayvon quoted Lil Wayne on Twitter and might have smoked pot, that's an average American teenager.

Originally Posted by fredcalif

the zimmerman case will hurt obama in fla and in most of the states

No it won't.

[koolkid]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

we have to wait for the fact, I believe he had no choice but to shoot.
otherwise he might have been the one who got killed

I hope you guys don't think that Martin was the angel of the 9 years old pics the media keep showing on cnn

He shouldn't have been near the kid in the first place. Police clearly said to stay back yet he went after him anyway. He chose an altercation by following Martin. I would definitely feel threatened if someone was following me, I might even defend myself physically. Whether he was an angel or not, is irrelevant, at the end of the day he was murdered. This could have been avoided if Zimmerman actually listened to police. He put himself in this situation and now he has to pay the price. I personally don't feel sorry for this guy.

It's sickening to see people thinking it's okay for a kid to get killed because he may have been a typical "gang banger". So maybe he wasn't an angel, so what? Neither was I at 17. So that makes it okay to kill every 17 year old with a bad attitude? (Assuming he actually was this way)

[fredcalif]

Originally Posted by Lakelander

I've seen the recent facebook pic with the gold grill. To be honest, he looked like a skinny kid. Nevertheless, whether he was an angel or the biggest devil around really doesn't matter. Zimmerman was rightfully locked up and now let the legal process take its course.

that is right, but this have turn to be a politic case for some politicians

what about if the victim woud have been White? there will be no sharpton or jackson or obama or nobody complaining

to me this is all about race, if zimmerman is guilty then he should pay the price, but this is about race and politic.
people have the right to defend.

that is why I alway carry my gun everywhere. thanks god it is legal in the great state of AZ like in FLA

[fredcalif]

Originally Posted by koolkid

He shouldn't have been near the kid in the first place. Police clearly said to stay back yet he went after him anyway. He chose an altercation by following Martin. I would definitely feel threatened if someone was following me, I might even defend myself physically. Whether he was an angel or not, is irrelevant, at the end of the day he was murdered. This could have been avoided if Zimmerman actually listened to police. He put himself in this situation and now he has to pay the price. I personally don't feel sorry for this guy.

It's sickening to see people thinking it's okay for a kid to get killed because he may have been a typical "gang banger". So maybe he wasn't an angel, so what? Neither was I at 17. So that makes it okay to kill every 17 year old with a bad attitude? (Assuming he actually was this way)

were you there so see how it happened?

what was this kid doing in private property?

how do you know Martin did not attack zimmerman first?

nobody know how it happened, you assuming zimmerman is a killer
we dont know, I hope he have a fair trial

if he is innocent they should let him continue with his life.

as I said, he Martin was white, there will be no arrest.
the state is doing that because of Holder and Obama.

I hope they go after the black panthers too for offering money for zimmerman to get killl

[Lakelander]

Unfortunately, if the victim would have been white the shooter would have been arrested the same night. Unfortunately, this is about race. However, its about race due to Sanford police department's attempt to sweep the thing under the rug. I also agree that if he is found guilty, he should pay the price and if he's found innocent, he should walk. Based on this, I don't see why the big fuss about the letting the legal process take its course.

[Hia-leah JDM]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

were you there so see how it happened?

what was this kid doing in private property?

how do you know Martin did not attack zimmerman first?

nobody know how it happened, you assuming zimmerman is a killer
we dont know, I hope he have a fair trial

if he is innocent they should let him continue with his life.

as I said, he Martin was white, there will be no arrest.
the state is doing that because of Holder and Obama.

I hope they go after the black panthers too for offering money for zimmerman to get killl

He wasn't on private property? Why do you keep trying to incriminate the victim ion this case? This is what I find disturbing.

If Martin was white, Zimmerman would've been in jail the night he killed him. That's what the problem is. You can ignore it, but that's how things work in this country.

Btw, your attempt to bring Obama into this is pathetic. He was asked about the case and he briefly commented on it, stop making it more than it is. It already backfired on Gingrich and Santorum, Romney was smart enough to not jump on that idiotic logic.

[koolkid]

Originally Posted by fredcalif

were you there so see how it happened?

what was this kid doing in private property?

how do you know Martin did not attack zimmerman first?

nobody know how it happened, you assuming zimmerman is a killer
we dont know, I hope he have a fair trial

if he is innocent they should let him continue with his life.

as I said, he Martin was white, there will be no arrest.
the state is doing that because of Holder and Obama.

I hope they go after the black panthers too for offering money for zimmerman to get killl

Of course I wasn't there. I'm responding to your claim that this shooting was "self defense". You said it not me. Assuming Martin did attack first, he may be justified in his actions.

Have you not asked yourself that Martin may have felt Zimmerman, "a very scruffy looking man" who was following him at night, was threatening?

Why did Zimmerman follow Martin when he was told not to?

Why are you defending Zimmerman, were you there did you see what happened?

See, I can ask questions too. I may not have been there but at least I can go off on the evidence. Zimmerman shot Martin, he admitted it I believe. He wasn't supposed to be there and ignored police orders. That's all I need.

[QuantumX]

I don't think special prosecutor Angela Corey would have charged George Zimmerman with second-degree murder unless she was able to ascertain to her satisfaction that Zimmerman was lying about being attacked and hurt and also was lying about himself being the one crying out for help on the 911. Otherwise, the second-degree murder charge would have been quite a stretch from manslaughter which is more like what I was expecting.

[SUNS 25]

Originally Posted by Hia-leah JDM

This is just sick and weird. I don't understand supporting Zimmerman to that degree. The facts and evidence don't favor his story.

+1.

[fredcalif]

Originally Posted by QuantumX

I don't think special prosecutor Angela Corey would have charged George Zimmerman with second-degree murder unless she was able to ascertain to her satisfaction that Zimmerman was lying about being attacked and hurt and also was lying about himself being the one crying out for help on the 911. Otherwise, the second-degree murder charge would have been quite a stretch from manslaughter which is more like what I was expecting.

she did it because she was affraid of Riots in Fla and other states.
we know that would have been the outcome.

why did the police did not arrest him before?

this is all politics. they will have to prove that it was not self defense
people should have the right to defend themselves.

hopefully they wont try to change the laws about gun rights